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Sales of the iPad are down 9% vs. last year.

http://www.businessinsider.com/four-important-charts-from-apples-earnings-2014-7

It seems that people are so satisfied with them that they don't feel the need to upgrade to newer models.

So my iPad is 3 years old. I don't feel like it's outdated or runs the new iOS versions slow or any other reason to want an upgrade.

The newer ones are lighter, faster, have better battery life, perhaps. Not compelling to upgrade for me. I don't at all want an android tablet to replace it either. That is, I'm quite happy with it as is.

So my tablet question is, do you have a similar experience with your iPad or Android tablet?

I've only the one iPad and never bought another. If you're an Android user, have you bought a new tablet to upgrade? How many times?
 
Without studying the charts, sales down because people aren't replacing or because other products biting into market share?

Lighter and faster makes it very tempting to upgrade. I leave the old one in the car and the newer one at home. But you know that if you can wait another year, likely the next generation will be even faster. So whatever desire there is to upgrade can always be put off because the older iPads still do the trick. Overall, I say wait until you're iPad is really becoming archaic (about 5 yrs old) unless really want a different size (mini idpad) or the older one is becoming too heavy to carry all the time. My two cents.
 
Just be careful you don't get that new version that is designed to stop working after a certain time!

Dells been doing it for years, apple might jump on board!
 
I still have an iPad 2 (yes, really old) - and the kids use it sometimes. I like smaller tablets, but my 2nd gen Nexus 7 is good enough. The only thing that would have got me to buy a new one was if Microsoft came with a Surface Mini that ran full windows with a good stylus and screen. Since they did not, I think I am going to wait until someone comes with a proper stylus supporting small tablet with good resolution (no to Asus Note) and no custom propriety software (no to Samsung). Otherwise, the Nexus is great for what I need.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Without studying the charts, sales down because people aren't replacing or because other products biting into market share?

Lighter and faster makes it very tempting to upgrade. I leave the old one in the car and the newer one at home. But you know that if you can wait another year, likely the next generation will be even faster. So whatever desire there is to upgrade can always be put off because the older iPads still do the trick. Overall, I say wait until you're iPad is really becoming archaic (about 5 yrs old) unless really want a different size (mini idpad) or the older one is becoming too heavy to carry all the time. My two cents.
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Not replacing. iPad life is well over 2 years. Android tablets typically get replaced after 1.
 
Interesting data about S2's tapatalk users:

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Denny Crane said:
Sales of the iPad are down 9% vs. last year.

http://www.businessinsider.com/four-important-charts-from-apples-earnings-2014-7

It seems that people are so satisfied with them that they don't feel the need to upgrade to newer models.

So my iPad is 3 years old. I don't feel like it's outdated or runs the new iOS versions slow or any other reason to want an upgrade.

The newer ones are lighter, faster, have better battery life, perhaps. Not compelling to upgrade for me. I don't at all want an android tablet to replace it either. That is, I'm quite happy with it as is.

So my tablet question is, do you have a similar experience with your iPad or Android tablet?

I've only the one iPad and never bought another. If you're an Android user, have you bought a new tablet to upgrade? How many times?
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I think that the drop is mostly due to the overall tablet market, not something iPad specific. I'm sure there were similar overall drops in Android tablets. Once we got to the retina iPad and similarly spec'd Androids, the life span started to mimic PCs rather than smart phones (which is a good thing). Slightly thinner/lighter or marginal spec bumps aren't enough for people to replace their tablets. I had the retina iPad and was satisfied with it, but really didn't use it much. So, we gave it to my mother in law and bought a Nexus7. I like the size difference (could have achieved the same thing by getting an iPad mini), but other than that I'm just as satisfied as I was with the iPad. We haven't had it for a full year yet, so I can't say how it'll be 2 or 3 years down the road, but so far I haven't seen any reason to upgrade due to degradation of performance or have been envious of higher spec'd tablets (apple or android). I know my mom is perfectly happy with the iPad2 we bought her the other year and it'll probably suit her needs for at least another couple of years.
 
I'm not going to argue why sales are down, other than to mention that the handful of tech and business articles I read about it say it's due to the high quality of the iPad and people not needing to upgrade so much.
 
I've got two ipads, one is newer and the other is about 3 years old. The new one is a little better/faster and has a sharper screen, but the older one is just fine. The only thing I really don't like about the old one is that it's got the larger charger. I've got a work iphone, personal iphone and ipad that use the new one, which means I have to take an extra cord when we travel.

The thing I love about Apple is that the stuff works. No messing around time trying to install/uninstall like I had with the Android.
 
Denny Crane said:
Samsung sales and profits down despite Galaxy S5 launch
Rest of 2014 will be "a challenge" as second quarter disappoints

Samsung said that while the demand for smartphones remained the same as in the previous quarter, its smartphone and tablet sales decreased.
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The market is saturated with Chinese options that are just as good and just as cheap - and that is Sammy's problem.

Apple will be shielded from it in the short term, because they control their ecosystem, but given that Android has finally, for the first time ever, overtook ios in mobile usage worldwide, I suspect that we will see the smartphone/tablet market following the old Windows/MacOS model - with Apple continuing to lose marketshare and with it, in time, profitability. I suspect that this is exactly why they are going to go hard after the wearable and TV market. This incarnation of Apple is wiser than the Apple of the mid-80s to early 90s.
 
andalusian said:
The market is saturated with Chinese options that are just as good and just as cheap - and that is Sammy's problem.

Apple will be shielded from it in the short term, because they control their ecosystem, but given that Android has finally, for the first time ever, overtook ios in mobile usage worldwide, I suspect that we will see the smartphone/tablet market following the old Windows/MacOS model - with Apple continuing to lose marketshare and with it, in time, profitability. I suspect that this is exactly why they are going to go hard after the wearable and TV market. This incarnation of Apple is wiser than the Apple of the mid-80s to early 90s.
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The android market isn't as monolithic as the apple market though. It's like lumping all PCs from all manufacturers against Apple's offerings, when Apple was (and is now) the largest single manufacturer of PCs and laptops.
 
SALES ARE DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IPADS.
 
Another thing - people are starting to understand the productivity limitations of tablets - be it by high-end hybrid devices like the Surface or Yoga 2 Pro or via cheap notebooks that are backed by cloud services.

http://bgr.com/2014/08/06/ipad-vs-chromebook-for-students/

Honestly, I am a heavy tablet user - my Nexus goes with me just about anywhere, but as soon as I get a small hybrid device with proper screen, storage (and hopefully pen) support - it will be my next.
 
andalusian said:
Another thing - people are starting to understand the productivity limitations of tablets - be it by high-end hybrid devices like the Surface or Yoga 2 Pro or via cheap notebooks that are backed by cloud services.

http://bgr.com/2014/08/06/ipad-vs-chromebook-for-students/

Honestly, I am a heavy tablet user - my Nexus goes with me just about anywhere, but as soon as I get a small hybrid device with proper screen, storage (and hopefully pen) support - it will be my next.
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To me the question should be iPad vs. MacBook Air 11". I don't think that is covered in your article.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Really? For school districts? MacBook Air is $1000. Chromebook is $200.
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Chromebook doesn't run native apps.

Google docs are fine, but they're not as good as Word or Pages.
 
Denny Crane said:
Chromebook doesn't run native apps.

Google docs are fine, but they're not as good as Word or Pages.
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While it is true, it is really not that big of a deal for most schools - horses for courses and all that stuff.
 
andalusian said:
While it is true, it is really not that big of a deal for most schools - horses for courses and all that stuff.
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It seems they were willing to pay several $hundred more for iPads. The 11" air costs $899 these days.
 
Denny Crane said:
It seems they were willing to pay several $hundred more for iPads. The 11" air costs $899 these days.
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School districts usually have limited budgets - one suspects that when they found out that cheap Chromebooks with their integrated cloud support are actually better for their use than iPads - the idea of spending around 3 times per device for MacBooks that run the same software for the built-in cloud support or have to use native apps that might be technically more feature packed but are not necessarily as good when it comes to cloud support (unless you shell extra for something like Office 365) - they did not care much.

I have a kid in middle school and one in elementary school - and I have seen what they do with their computer in school (the middle school has Chromebooks, the elementary has the rugged Thinkpad 130e running Windows) - they really do not need iPads, nor do they really need Word / Pages over google Docs. Honestly, it is easier to manage the Chromebooks as well, so the kids can not install Minecraft on it - which is, honestly, a blessing for schools.
 
I don't think they have limited budgets as you say. In fact, here in California, the schools have really big capital budgets that they can't spend on useful things like teachers or art programs. So large that the state comes along and takes the unspent money away to spend on whatever else.

I think you limit what your child is capable of doing by limiting what his machine can do. Like maybe your child could become an adept digital artist if he had the ability to install photoshop on the machine.

Plus the things aren't that good for cheap and require internet connection to work.
 
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