http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.
My biggest problem with the list is Deion Sanders....how was he revolutionary? Is the league filled with fleet cover men that have no interest in contact?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Once again they completly ignore the first 40 years of the NFL. Certianly LT should be on that list. But the fact of the matter is that Joe Schmidt should be on the list before Butkis, Urlacher or Lewis. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Linebacker was sort of an undefined position before Joe Schmidt took it over and made it his own. He pretty much <u>invented the position of middle linebacker in 1955</u>, his third season with the Lions. It was an invention born of necessity. One of the greatest middle linebackers ever to play pro football. He appeared in the Pro Bowl 10 times in 13 seasons with the Lions and was All-Pro eight times. His teammates voted him Lions Most Valuable Player four times and he was captain of the team nine straight years. He spent 20 years with the Lions, the last six years as head coach.</div> http://info.detnews.com/history/story/inde...category=sports
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.</div> Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.</div> Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?</div> Why bother? The topic is the "Ten Most Revolutionary Defensive Players". I don't see why either is more <u>REVOLUTIONARY</u> than Joe Schmidt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.</div> Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?</div> For one thing, he plays better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.</div> Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?</div> For one thing, he plays better.</div> I'm guessing you are talking about the past three years. Maybe if you compared the stats of Lewis and Urlacher in their first 6 years of their career. Ray Lewis (1996-2001) and Brian Urlacher (2000-2005). And if you want, you can throw in some of the awards they have gotten but it would kinda be one-sided because Ray has a ring and is Super Bowl MVP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?</div> For one thing, he plays better.</div> I'm guessing you are talking about the past three years. Maybe if you compared the stats of Lewis and Urlacher in their first 6 years of their career. Ray Lewis (1996-2001) and Brian Urlacher (2000-2005). And if you want, you can throw in some of the awards they have gotten but it would kinda be one-sided because Ray has a ring and is Super Bowl MVP.</div> Right, i forgot he won super bowl singlehandedly, and was the least impressive super bowl MVP of all time. What stats are you talking about? Being on a better team makes him a better player for first 6 years? Urlacher has been successful in multiple systems, when ray has to play without 2 huge guys in front eating blocks he just isnt succesful. Thats the difference. Urlacher has more speed and power, and is a better tackler. If you think stats are so one sided, post em, show it up. make your case 32 sacks for urlacher to 18 for lewis 8 picks for brian to 12 for ray 7 FF to 4 FF So, i guess producing less puts ray way ahead through first 6 years. Also, Brian urlacher has TD catch. Just one more facet he brings than ray
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> For one thing, he plays better.</div> I'm guessing you are talking about the past three years. Maybe if you compared the stats of Lewis and Urlacher in their first 6 years of their career. Ray Lewis (1996-2001) and Brian Urlacher (2000-2005). And if you want, you can throw in some of the awards they have gotten but it would kinda be one-sided because Ray has a ring and is Super Bowl MVP.</div> Right, i forgot he won super bowl singlehandedly, and was the least impressive super bowl MVP of all time. What stats are you talking about? Being on a better team makes him a better player for first 6 years? Urlacher has been successful in multiple systems, when ray has to play without 2 huge guys in front eating blocks he just isnt succesful. Thats the difference. Urlacher has more speed and power, and is a better tackler. If you think stats are so one sided, post em, show it up. make your case 32 sacks for urlacher to 18 for lewis 8 picks for brian to 12 for ray 7 FF to 4 FF So, i guess producing less puts ray way ahead through first 6 years. Also, Brian urlacher has TD catch. Just one more facet he brings than ray</div> It seems that there aren't enough facts to persuade your opinion so I won't because I'd be wasting my time to change another person's opinion. And I can already tell that you think I am cowering out or you have done your job. But no... See... There aren't such stats that can tell how a player can be revolutionary. But what Ray lacks in statistics the last few years doesn't count for how he motivates his fellow teammates and keep everyone on the same page, inside and outside the locker room. He is the heart and soul of the Baltimore Ravens organization, just like Brett Favre is for the Packers. Well that may not be the best comparision since he has to be in the same catagory with other Packer legends but you know what I mean. He is the face of the Ravens defense. It's hard to say anything about the Ravens defense without mentioning Ray's leadership qualities, his high spirit (meaning fun to be around, not the opposing offense though), and the spark he gives to his teammates to want to be like him. BTW, I doubt Urlacher has a trademark dance when he steps on the field. HAHA! I BEAT YOU THERE! Oh yeah, Ray Lewis does have a TD catch, but it was in the playoffs against the Titans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'> I'm guessing you are talking about the past three years. Maybe if you compared the stats of Lewis and Urlacher in their first 6 years of their career. Ray Lewis (1996-2001) and Brian Urlacher (2000-2005). And if you want, you can throw in some of the awards they have gotten but it would kinda be one-sided because Ray has a ring and is Super Bowl MVP.</div> Right, i forgot he won super bowl singlehandedly, and was the least impressive super bowl MVP of all time. What stats are you talking about? Being on a better team makes him a better player for first 6 years? Urlacher has been successful in multiple systems, when ray has to play without 2 huge guys in front eating blocks he just isnt succesful. Thats the difference. Urlacher has more speed and power, and is a better tackler. If you think stats are so one sided, post em, show it up. make your case 32 sacks for urlacher to 18 for lewis 8 picks for brian to 12 for ray 7 FF to 4 FF So, i guess producing less puts ray way ahead through first 6 years. Also, Brian urlacher has TD catch. Just one more facet he brings than ray</div> It seems that there aren't enough facts to persuade your opinion so I won't because I'd be wasting my time to change another person's opinion. And I can already tell that you think I am cowering out or you have done your job. But no... See... There aren't such stats that can tell how a player can be revolutionary. But what Ray lacks in statistics the last few years doesn't count for how he motivates his fellow teammates and keep everyone on the same page, inside and outside the locker room. He is the heart and soul of the Baltimore Ravens organization, just like Brett Favre is for the Packers. Well that may not be the best comparision since he has to be in the same catagory with other Packer legends but you know what I mean. He is the face of the Ravens defense. It's hard to say anything about the Ravens defense without mentioning Ray's leadership qualities, his high spirit (meaning fun to be around, not the opposing offense though), and the spark he gives to his teammates to want to be like him. BTW, I doubt Urlacher has a trademark dance when he steps on the field. HAHA! I BEAT YOU THERE! Oh yeah, Ray Lewis does have a TD catch, but it was in the playoffs against the Titans.</div> I never said urlacher was a better dancer, just a better football player. Stats prove i am right so you stop trying to convince me? Alright, whatever
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Right, i forgot he won super bowl singlehandedly, and was the least impressive super bowl MVP of all time. What stats are you talking about? Being on a better team makes him a better player for first 6 years? Urlacher has been successful in multiple systems, when ray has to play without 2 huge guys in front eating blocks he just isnt succesful. Thats the difference. Urlacher has more speed and power, and is a better tackler. If you think stats are so one sided, post em, show it up. make your case 32 sacks for urlacher to 18 for lewis 8 picks for brian to 12 for ray 7 FF to 4 FF So, i guess producing less puts ray way ahead through first 6 years. Also, Brian urlacher has TD catch. Just one more facet he brings than ray</div> It seems that there aren't enough facts to persuade your opinion so I won't because I'd be wasting my time to change another person's opinion. And I can already tell that you think I am cowering out or you have done your job. But no... See... There aren't such stats that can tell how a player can be revolutionary. But what Ray lacks in statistics the last few years doesn't count for how he motivates his fellow teammates and keep everyone on the same page, inside and outside the locker room. He is the heart and soul of the Baltimore Ravens organization, just like Brett Favre is for the Packers. Well that may not be the best comparision since he has to be in the same catagory with other Packer legends but you know what I mean. He is the face of the Ravens defense. It's hard to say anything about the Ravens defense without mentioning Ray's leadership qualities, his high spirit (meaning fun to be around, not the opposing offense though), and the spark he gives to his teammates to want to be like him. BTW, I doubt Urlacher has a trademark dance when he steps on the field. HAHA! I BEAT YOU THERE! Oh yeah, Ray Lewis does have a TD catch, but it was in the playoffs against the Titans.</div> I never said urlacher was a better dancer, just a better football player. Stats prove i am right so you stop trying to convince me? Alright, whatever </div> Yeah, I spent about an hour on a post I deleted to use the other one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'> It seems that there aren't enough facts to persuade your opinion so I won't because I'd be wasting my time to change another person's opinion. And I can already tell that you think I am cowering out or you have done your job. But no... See... There aren't such stats that can tell how a player can be revolutionary. But what Ray lacks in statistics the last few years doesn't count for how he motivates his fellow teammates and keep everyone on the same page, inside and outside the locker room. He is the heart and soul of the Baltimore Ravens organization, just like Brett Favre is for the Packers. Well that may not be the best comparision since he has to be in the same catagory with other Packer legends but you know what I mean. He is the face of the Ravens defense. It's hard to say anything about the Ravens defense without mentioning Ray's leadership qualities, his high spirit (meaning fun to be around, not the opposing offense though), and the spark he gives to his teammates to want to be like him. BTW, I doubt Urlacher has a trademark dance when he steps on the field. HAHA! I BEAT YOU THERE! Oh yeah, Ray Lewis does have a TD catch, but it was in the playoffs against the Titans.</div> I never said urlacher was a better dancer, just a better football player. Stats prove i am right so you stop trying to convince me? Alright, whatever </div> Yeah, I spent about an hour on a post I deleted to use the other one.</div> Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy:thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> I never said urlacher was a better dancer, just a better football player. Stats prove i am right so you stop trying to convince me? Alright, whatever </div> Yeah, I spent about an hour on a post I deleted to use the other one.</div> Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy:thumbsup:</div> :stupid: Your funny!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html I am insulted. How could they not put Ray Lewis up there but put Brian Urlacher?</div> Urlacher is a better player than lewis.</div> Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?</div> Personally I'd take Mike Singletary over both of them and he should be on that list. The 46 defense was revolutionary and that Bears team was the best defense in the history of the NFL in my opinion. Singletary was the key cog that made it work. He is the best MLB in the history of the game.
If you want revolutionary, then Zach Thomas should be your man! Zach paved the way for guys with no necks to make it in the NFL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>My biggest problem with the list is Deion Sanders....how was he revolutionary? Is the league filled with fleet cover men that have no interest in contact?</div> Deion was revolutionary. Say what you will about him not tackling. No one in the history of the game covered receivers like he did. Champ Bailey and DeAngelo Hall are not on his level. He singlehandedly cut off half of the field for offenses to work in the passing game. Name a corner that covered better than Deion? There wasn't one. Ask the best CBs in the game who they try to base their skills around and they'll tell you Deion. I know Hall will...he's spoken before about Deion being his idol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you want revolutionary, then Zach Thomas should be your man! Zach paved the way for guys with no necks to make it in the NFL.</div> After reading that sentence, I had flashbacks of Romanowski, not pretty ones.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>My biggest problem with the list is Deion Sanders....how was he revolutionary? Is the league filled with fleet cover men that have no interest in contact?</div> Deion was revolutionary. Say what you will about him not tackling. No one in the history of the game covered receivers like he did. Champ Bailey and DeAngelo Hall are not on his level. He singlehandedly cut off half of the field for offenses to work in the passing game. Name a corner that covered better than Deion? There wasn't one. Ask the best CBs in the game who they try to base their skills around and they'll tell you Deion. I know Hall will...he's spoken before about Deion being his idol.</div> Madison & Surtain in their day were pretty good as is McAlister w/ Balitmore and those 3 are more well rounded. Prime time could cover but he had a very little, if any skills or desire, in run support. Deion will always be remembered in my mind for being a mercenary.
[quote name='cubuffsman78'][quote name='MKIV_Supra'][quote name='BearsFan1'] Urlacher is a better player than lewis.[/quote] Define what makes him a better player than Lewis. What has he done that Ray hasn't?[/quote] Personally I'd take Mike Singletary over both of them and he should be on that list. The 46 defense was revolutionary and that Bears team was the best defense in the history of the NFL in my opinion. Singletary was the key cog that made it work. He is the best MLB in the history of the game.[/quote] I would too. [quote name='BF1']Also, Brian urlacher has TD catch. Just one more facet he brings than ray[/quote] Mike Vrabel has 2. Does that make him the better LB? Seriously, Ray has been known to knife his way through opposing offenses & allegedly people who disrupt his entourage.
