OT The Abortion Issue

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Wow, so this oughta be interesting.....to say the least.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/politics/catholic-bishops-biden/index.html

    US Catholic bishops advance communion document, setting up potential rebuke of Biden


    (CNN) The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops on Friday proceeded with a plan that would deny communion to public figures who support abortion rights, setting up a potential public rebuke of President Joe Biden.

    By a vote of 168 to 55, with six abstentions, the bishops went forward with plans for a report on the meaning of the Eucharist in the church. The vote is part of a longer process, and a rebuke of Biden and other Catholic politicians who support abortion rights is not assured. The report will be developed over the summer and presented for amendments and approval in November.

    The Vatican would have to approve any action on behalf of the bishops, and would likely delay that approval if a pointed report is issued.

    Biden, an abortion rights advocate who is the first Catholic US president in nearly 60 years, is the most openly religious president since Jimmy Carter. This movement is driven by the extremely conservative wing of the Catholic Church.

    Some bishops want the report to be a broader teaching tool for all Catholics about the importance of the sacrament of communion and they have been reminding their fellows of the Pope's exhortation to avoid divisiveness.
    Asked at the end of remarks at the White House Friday afternoon about the vote, Biden replied, "That's a private matter and I don't think it's going to happen."

    Pew surveys show more than half of US Catholics favor abortion rights and most American Catholics do not believe Biden should be refused communion.
    Catholics for Choice, a liberal Catholic group that advocates for abortion rights, said it was "profoundly saddened" by Friday's vote and condemned using the Eucharist "as a weapon of punishment."

    "In a country and church already riven with tension and division, today the bishops chose to be partisan instead of pastoral, cruel rather than Christ-like," the group said. "They have chosen to disobey Jesus's command to 'feed one another,' but everyday U.S. Catholics -- 67 percent of whom oppose withholding Communion and other Sacraments from supporters of abortion rights -- will continue to know better and do better."

    Biden has for years been asked to square his devout Catholicism with his politics.

    The President has been a regular at Mass since childhood and attended Catholic schools. He married his late first wife, Neilia, in a Catholic church and peppers his political speech with quotes from Scripture, Catholic hymns and references to the nuns and priests he learned from in school.

    While Biden has personally opposed abortion on religious grounds, he's also said that he doesn't want to force his opinion on others.

    "I accept my church's position on abortion as a what we call de fide doctrine. Life begins at conception. That's the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life," he said during the 2012 vice presidential debate. "But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews. I just refuse to impose that on others," he said.

    He added: "I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people, women, that they can't control their bodies. That's a decision between them and their doctor, in my view, and the Supreme Court, I'm not going to interfere with that."

    In 2019, Biden was denied communion at a Catholic church in South Carolina over his support for abortion rights.

    "I am not going to discuss that. That is just my personal life," Biden said after the incident.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    If churches want a voice in politics they should pay taxes.
     
  3. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I think they're talking about their own parishioners.....which, I guess, includes President Biden(?)
     
  4. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    All the Catholics I know support abortion rights. I think most of the Catholics support abortion rights and just the higher ups in the Church oppose it.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Think of it as church goers do a lot of good for society and therefor asking them to also pay taxes is imposing a double cost.
     
  6. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy Circling the bowl.....

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    Are these the same bishops who ignored, covered up and/or participated in decade upon decade of sexual abuse by their fellow clergy?? They should clean their own house before trying to stick their filthy hands in the personal business of others. Poor ol’ Joe will just have to get his daily bread from a bakery like the rest of us……these bishops obviously think they are more important than they actually are…..
     
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    Fuck the catholic church
     
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    You'll have to get in line behind the priests.
     
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    Better than the priests being behind me.
     
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    agree, thats why a legit flat tax is needed.
     
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    They don't do that for death penalty supporters. Or those who took actually born children from their parents and locked them in cages. All those military dictatorships in Latin America torturing prisoners, mass executions, no problem. Mafia guys? Fine! Child rapers? No problem! But a Catholic who says women are smart enough to make our own healthcare decisions? Excommunicate.
     
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    Not to mention Nazis, including top leaders. Concentration camp guards. Slave owners.
     
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    The Vatican is opposed to this so either
    (a) it won't happen, or
    (b) being partisan Republican is more important to these bozos than actually being Catholic.
     
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    When Jews, Roma and others were shipped to Nazi death camps, any pregnant woman went straight to the gas chamber. Any woman who became pregnant went straight to the gas chamber. None of those Nazis were banned from Communion.

    Doctors in death camps did secret abortions to save the women's lives. They faced execution if caught. Because abortion was illegal.

    Who were the heroes?
     
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    It's almost as if the Bishops were trying to distract from something. What might that be?
     
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    Thread went about as expected
     
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    They are extorting politicians to try and force their belief on the masses
     
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    My sister is a devout Catholic all her life and she told me Pope Francis and Joe Biden are the face of the Catholic church across the globe now...not these celibate bishops who want to strip people of their faith for political currency. There are reformed Catholics and Fundamentalist Catholics...who cling onto medieval ritual and are mired in their own sex coverups, corruption and other scandals....the Lutheran church sprouted from a corrupt Medici Pope selling salvation for profit. Those bishops as someone else mentioned should clean their own house before pointing fingers
     

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