There have been tons of bombings lately in north Israel, including one that just happened in Haifa...the Arabic and Palestinian terror organizations are bombing at will lately. I was interested to see what some of the guys in other countries feel about this.
You can't take sides in a problem as complex and deeply rooted as this one. Any incident where innocent people are hurt or killed is a travesty. Both sides are committing these atrocities though, which is why I am firmly against the policies/methods of Palestinian terrorist groups and the Israeli government.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post"> I am firmly against the policies/methods of Palestinian terrorist groups and the Israeli government.</div> terrorists would gladly exchange suicide bombs for F16's any day of the week. there is a question of legitimacy and overstepping the boundaries of what is accepted and not accepted. the US government heightens the tension by the wielding the veto at the secuirty council and their relentless financing of the of harldliners within israel. israel is capable of fending for themselves as demonstrated by the relative ease in which they stomped on their arab neighbours in the six day war without the help of Uncle Sam.
Man im tired of all these innocent people getting killed in Palestine and Lebanon. Why cant the world be a peace place. And everyone leaves each other alone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Man im tired of all these innocent people getting killed in Palestine and Israel. Why cant the world be a peace place. And everyone leaves each other alone.</div> Unfortunally, its never been like that.
the title of the thread highlights the power disparity in marketing of the conflict if u will. "the bombings in israel" - interesting title since u omit mention of the israeli assault on lebanon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">the title of the thread highlights the power disparity in marketing of the conflict if u will. "the bombings in israel" - interesting title since u omit mention of the israeli assault on lebanon.</div> The original poster is from Israel, I don't think it has anything to do with marketing. There doesn't seem to be any solution for either side. Both are fighting for their beliefs. Neither side is going to convince the other and they'll eventually reach a treaty, then someone will violate it, and the killing will continue. It's a never ending vicious cycle.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">the title of the thread highlights the power disparity in marketing of the conflict if u will. "the bombings in israel" - interesting title since u omit mention of the israeli assault on lebanon.</div> first of all, as shape said, it has nothing to do with marketing. 2nd, this thread was posted BEFORE israel hit back, so you should probably check that next time you post an accusation like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">first of all, as shape said, it has nothing to do with marketing. 2nd, this thread was posted BEFORE israel hit back, so you should probably check that next time you post an accusation like that.</div> "israel hit back"... so u don't think occupation equates to provocation?
I just want to point out to people, I'm lebanese and I have strong feelings towards this. Mainly, I think Lebanese people are going to be perceived as being wrong here, when in reality, they aren't doing anything. The Lebanese government is weak, very weak. They aren't on their feet. Syria had occupied Lebanon for years, and just recently left. The country is run by terrorists, supported by Iran and Syria. That terrorist group, Hezbollah, is the one bombing Israel. This conflict is going to arise into a much bigger conflict, a war. Syria and Iran are supporting the terrorist group, and eventually they're going to get inolved. That leaves Israel against Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah. No doubt George Bush will get involved, same as Britain. Then, there is always the possibility that North Korea will get involved, because their leader is a wack job. This could very well be the makings of the III world war. This is a very serious issue, one that a lot of young men should be paying attention too.
I agree with everything you just said, theblackmamba. The Lebanese aren't to blaim, it's the Hezbollah who are doing all the bombings. The Lebanese just need to get strong enough to kick the Hezbollah out of their country. Like you said, this could be the beginning of another world war, with the USA, Israel, Britian and maybe even the European Union on one side, and Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, and maybe a couple more Arab nations and N. Korea on the other. But right now, the focus should be on dismantling the Hezbollah, getting them out of Lebanon and getting back the kidnapped soldiers. Then, maybe there'll be a time (whether it'll be short or long is another question) where the Israeli and Lebanese people can live in peace (or close to it).
the world doesn't revolve around israel as much as the arab or american press like to think. the arab street is largely impoverished- israel could sack it in 7 days, truth be told. most people in the world are something the people in the holy land and 1600 pennsylvania avenue or not- rational. i like most believe the next big war will be fought over resources not ideology. and btw, many intellectuals believe world war 3 already occured in the form of the cold war.
update- the bombings against targets in lebanon have grown more intense and civilians are drying in larger numbers inclusing 7 canadians ones. 2 israeli soliders held hostage= war.
Yea, the bombings on Lebanon have been anything but measured and careful. Israel always tends to astound me on how they play these political games when it comes with dealing with terrorist organizations. An Israeli kid who lives on occupied territory was also kidnapped, but he was essentially given up on and got no press. But the kidnapping of a soldier, someone who is bound to be a target of an enemy, raises far more outrage. Again, it just surprises me that a country that continues to play these games is always given the benefit of the doubt.
I can understand them wanting to get their captured soldiers back. Is taking it out on the innocent citizens of Lebanon the right thing to do, because of one terrorist group that runs the country pretty much? No, it's not. If you want your soldiers back, go in and get them. Don't bomb from the outside and kill hundreds of innocent Lebanese people. It's called terrorism, the same thing that Israel is supposedly "fighting."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">I can understand them wanting to get their captured soldiers back. Is taking it out on the innocent citizens of Lebanon the right thing to do, because of one terrorist group that runs the country pretty much? No, it's not. If you want your soldiers back, go in and get them. Don't bomb from the outside and kill hundreds of innocent Lebanese people. It's called terrorism, the same thing that Israel is supposedly "fighting."</div> I'm not protecting the killing of 100's of Lebanese people, because it's wrong. But, unlike the terrorist groups, the deaths of these people is ACCIDENTAL. Israel's targets are only places related to the Hezbollah. The Hezbollah, on the other hand, are killing innocent people PURPOSELY. You can't look at the number of killed Israelis and compare them the number of killed Lebanese and say "wow, the Israeli's are worse because they're killing more", because the Hezbollah's weapons aren't strong enough to kill hundreds. But, if they did have weapons like fighter planes, the number of dead Israelis would have reached a 1000 by now, most probably. Israel has issued warnings to the Lebanese people to get out of southern Lebanon, because it's dangerous territory, just like northern Israel is right now. This war isn't against the Lebanese people, and Israel isn't "taking it out on the Lebanese". It's a war against the terror that keeps hitting northern Israel. The captured soldiers are only a side dish compared to the fearful lives that the people in northern Israel are living for years now.
Wow man great to hear from ya. I was worrying about ya cuz you havent got on AIM. Hope things are well in Israel.
