What is up with the hype with Dunleavy? Everyone from message boards and even the broadcasters always comment how good Dunleavy is, it actually gets rediculous how the broadcasters always say something great about Dunleavy after everything he does, not matter if it is a basic rebound that goes right to him or just a pass. However i have never seen this from Dunleavy. I mean i have seen him make some good passes and i have seen him get a couple of rebounds, i've even seen him make some shots. But i don't see why he is so hyped up. His defense is the worst. I have NEVER seen someone play worse defense than Dunleavy in the NBA. Dunleavy makes Cardinal look like Bruce Bowen. Dunleavy plays 10 feet off his man, or he's lost somewhere and his man is wide open for a three, i.e Hassell or Hoiberg all game tonight; or he is trying to guard his man one-on-one and he gets beat everytime there as well. On offense he has trouble creating his own shot and he is terrible close to the basket. And he has trouble leaving his man so he can't really get an open shot on the perimeter. He is a good passer, but it's not like he has a ton of assists. I just don't see it. What is the craze over Dunleavy?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">I have NEVER seen someone play worse defense than Dunleavy in the NBA.</div> So that means you've never seen Derek Fisher play defense before. Anyways, I have yet to judge him on how good of a player he can be. He didn't get the time he needed last year to prove something, but from what I've watched this year he's seemed solid. Earlier in the year he was the key part of the Warriors success, he played really well. Though I have to say he's not your usual #3 pick, but he's the type of player that will take time to develop. Of course he's been injured lately, but has been in the lineup for the last 3 games. I still don't plan judging him on his game and how he will turn out as an overall player, he has to show me more. Give him a couple years, then we can talk.
Seriously, give the guy some years. He's not King James. High draft picks always draw hype. Remember Kandi? Minny fans eat him up, I don't get it. Take Kwame and Battier. These gusy were top picks in the same year, right? I think he'll turn out to be pretty good. Don't jump on me but the guy kinda reminds me of Peja. No, not in a lot of ways but they do play the same position and have some similar traits. Also keep in mind that unlike Peja, Mike doesn't have a good team like Sac to help him come of age.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cal94720:</div><div class="quote_post">Also keep in mind that unlike Peja, Mike doesn't have a good team like Sac to help him come of age.</div> Yeah, matter fact I was listening to KNBR a couple weeks ago, and they were talking about Dunleavy and if he ever would develop. They mentioned another team would compliment him well. I have to agree, a team who plays team ball would always look for the best shot, and I think that's where Dunleavy is best from. Coming off a screen, good ball movement, something that sets him up would take his game to another level. He can't really create for himself yet but that will come later. As for now I stricly look at him as just a shooter, he has potential to develop into more of an overall game, but like I said, sometimes we'll have to wait a while for rookies to finally develop. Some do it faster than others, let's just be patient.
It is very hard to be patient when you have rookies who should make the all star team being picked at the same position or lower than when you picked...
The guys who drafted both Sprewell and Webber were geniuses for selecting talent. It's too bad they were both headcases. Now when I think about those two compared to Dunleavy and some of the other guys we drafted, we just never get guys that can contribute right away and be allstar rookies.
I am not upset with the Warriors drafting Dunleavy, even though i was looking at some others. Dunleavy can be an alright player in a good situation. But honestly i don't see him being that great of a starter in the NBA. I think that Dunleavy would be a good player coming off the bench to add some points and some ball movement. But I don't see him being as big of an offensive threat to go along with his bad defense to deserve a starting spot on an NBA team. I think Dunleavy can be a Pat Garrity or something like that if his shot continues to improve. But i don't see him being a starting player on a team like the Warriors who needs stars. If there were a team with a couple of superstars(TWolves) i could see Dunleavy starting and being a solid role player for that team; just not the Warriors. Thus i'd like to see the Warriors play Pietrus more, since he has the talent and potential to be a stud in the league, like Spree or Marion. Also how much can Dunleavy develop? I don't see Dunleavy being able to develop anything very quickly. You could say that he could develop a low-post game, but that would take a few years and a ton of experience, which he has very, very little of. I guess he could develop somewhat on defense, but i still would think after that improvement he'd still be a pretty bad defender. My hope for Dunleavy is that somehow he can start using his advantages, height and guard skills, to be more productive on offense. It just seems like his advantages offensivly are killing him defensivly. He seems to slow to guard a quicker man and too soft to guard a bigger man, and after watching last night's game he is totally lost on off-the-ball defense, as he gave Hoiberg and Hassell open shot after open shot. I think the TWolves got about 4 open 3's in a row because of Dunleavy being lost in the third quarter. Not surprisingly Dun was pulled after the next time out. I am hoping he improves and steps it up. He gives up a wide open three and it doesn't seem to bother him. At least sprint your ass out there to get a hand in the guys face. I am hoping i am being wrong here about Dunleavy, but i don't see as many bright spots to Dunleavy's future as many others.
Call me crazy, but I have been suprised by the way Dunleavy has developed in his first real season in the NBA. We have seen the kind of potential that he possesses and I have no doubt we will continue to see him blossom. The guy worked his ass off in the offseason to become stronger than he was last year. Give him another off season or two to get that NBA body and defensive work. I believe he will be a very good NBA player.
I hope you're right Rudeezy. I still can't believe he's the #3 pick. Actually nobody from the 2002 draft is a factor this year except for Yao and Amare. Maybe Wilcox and Nene. And Boozer and Ginobili.
The guy has not even finished his second season. Get off his behind. How many guys actually become world beaters 1.5 years after they are drafted? Its easy to point to guys like Lebron, MJ, Carmelo, Yao, Bird, Magic. What about guys like McHale, Pippen, Novitzki, Nash? It takes time. Plus, there's the Warrior factor. The Warriors are not the finest run team. Dunleavy has shown flashes. How many people can put up 30 in an NBA game? Despite his defenses lapses, let's look at what he's not: Crybaby, malcontent, lazy, gunner, selfish. Dunleavy is going to be a very good player in the NBA for a long time. Let's not run him out of town yet.
I love your attitude Philsmith. I mentioned some of the same things as you. I really don't see the need to trade him away, the guy is determined to get better and is already a decent player. I think a lot of this has to do with our impatience due to this long "playoffless" streak.
I've got a feeling this forum is going to get a whole lot quieter with the injuries to both point guards and the signing of Rusty Larue. Man I hate Van Exel! He just had to "pick" the time to do this. Let's hope Dunleavy can shine since it will mean more chances to have the ball in his hand. I certainly don't want Rusty jackin up shots. OMG this season is really over now. How can our starting point guard and backup guard be out in the most crucial month of the nba.
It is a fitting ending to an injury plagued Warriors season. Nevertheless, I will still be here rooting on my team.
Dunleavy has a lot of potential. While he might not be athletically gifted as some of the other young players and doesn't make Sportscenter every night, the reason people are so convinced about his future success is because of his court sense. He makes some of the best decisions I've seen on the court for a 6'9" guy that can dribble the ball up (who's not named Magic). Keep in mind that he has a long way to go- he's still trying to lose the stigma of playing in college for Duke.
^^ where did he get his ring? As for Dunleavy, I'm for keeping him. Like everyone said, he's a complimentary piece; for me, he can be the second or third option behind Speedy and JRich. MDjr has a sweet stroke and if someone on this team can draw the double team, he can hit the open shot.
He is also a very important asset when teams put the zone defense on the Warriors. Nothing like a good shooter to break the zone down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jayserinos99:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ where did he get his ring? As for Dunleavy, I'm for keeping him. Like everyone said, he's a complimentary piece; for me, he can be the second or third option behind Speedy and JRich. MDjr has a sweet stroke and if someone on this team can draw the double team, he can hit the open shot.</div> Larue got his ring from the Bulls.
I'm all for Dunleavy. But the question is, where does he fit in with a nucleus of guards- Speedy at PG, JRich at SG, Pietrus at SF? Which would you rather keep and start- an athletic defensive stopper that can shoot threes, or a smart role player who makes good passes but doesn't really have good defense?
