Who's better? This season is obviously Arenas. Careerwise is Wade, thanks to the title. But who would you rather have to start a franchise? It seems like Wade would be the easy answer, but I think I'd go Arenas. He's the clutch scorer. Both are pretty flashy and electric, but I'd go Arenas.
Easily Wade. Outside of possibly scoring (where Arenas is EXTREMELY streaky and not that efficient whereas Wade is very efficient and consistent) Wade is better in EVERY category...playmaking by far, rebounding, defense, leading and clutch play.
Arenas flashy? No way, if he was flashy as Wade, he should've gotten his respect he deserved in the 04-05 season. The thing is, he isn't and we all know ESPN and all them don't like to market around players like Arenas and Redd.Either way, I'd choose Wade. Arenas takes the category in scoring, but Wade has him in every other category like defense, rebounding, etc. Plus, it's kinda like Tom Brady having his offensive line as "security" in those mastercard commercials, except Dwyane Wade has his refs. :winkglasses:
Ah as much as I think Arenas is very underrated, and I never showed him respect as much as I should have until this season I would still deff take Wade.
I'd pick wade coz IMO he is better dan arenas in stats and creating team chemistry. he gets along with his team and helps make others a bit better. not saying arenas doesn't but id still pick wade over him (agent0's really havin a gr8 season tho).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (12HRockets @ Jan 18 2007, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd pick wade coz IMO he is better dan arenas in stats and creating team chemistry. he gets along with his team and helps make others a bit better. not saying arenas doesn't but id still pick wade over him (agent0's really havin a gr8 season tho).</div>You're killing me. Yes, statistics do tell you something about how the players are doing in their games, but to base all of your personal NBA knowledge off of stats makes me want to cry. Anyways, I have seen this comparison many times, and usually Wade wins. Arenas is flat out having a better year than Wade right now and his team is ahead of Wade's in the standings. Yeah, Riley's gone, the players have been injured, but whenever I see the Heat play (even with Wade) they lack spirit. They play like they would play in a street ball game. Even if Miami turns around their season and is able to become over .500 (and their Shaq's back), I STILL think that Arenas has a better shot of winning the MVP than Wade. It still depends on this point, and how the Wizards will do in a couple of months. Wade is better than Arenas.. yes, but in my opinion both players aren't familiar with fundamentals of the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 18 2007, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anyways, I have seen this comparison many times, and usually Wade wins. Arenas is flat out having a better year than Wade right now and his team is ahead of Wade's in the standings. Yeah, Riley's gone, the players have been injured, but whenever I see the Heat play (even with Wade) they lack spirit. They play like they would play in a street ball game. Even if Miami turns around their season and is able to become over .500 (and their Shaq's back), I STILL think that Arenas has a better shot of winning the MVP than Wade. It still depends on this point, and how the Wizards will do in a couple of months.</div>Arenas has had a great year, but quietly Wade has had his best year as well. He scores only 2PPG less than Arenas (on considerably better shooting), is averaging a great 8APG, 4.5RPG, 2SPG, over 1BPG, etc... The team is well above .500 when he is depended to carry the team (the reason they are below .500 is because they lost every game this year without Wade). When a very old group of veterans there is a huge transition period to get your fire back. Due to injuries, coaching change, among other things, it took the Heat up until now to get that fire back. Not Wade's fault, he's played great all year.They are what, only 3 games under .500? They will be well above .500 when season ends, barring any major injuries. I agree Arenas is more likely to win MVP, but I thought Kobe and Bron btoh were better players and had better seasons than Steve Nash last year, yet he won MVP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jan 19 2007, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're joking right, Arenas had that problem last year but it has clearly improved greatly this year and are you seriousely saying that Wade is effecient and consistent in OUTSIDE SHOOTING? Wade is not better in every category, Arenas can get to the line AT WILL, playmaking, you don't think Arenas is a good playmaker you're crazy sure he doesn't always rack up the assists but he's definetely set up great positions for his teammates. Arenas has been becoming much better at rebounding however he does not focus on it, leading, ARENAS IS THE ONE LEADING THE TEAM THAT IS LEADING THE SOUTHEAST NOT WADE! I'll give defense to Wade, but did you seriousely just say that Wade is MORE CLUTCH than Arenas....cmon now.</div>-I never said Wade was more efficient at outside shooting, I said scoring. Wade shoots 48% to GA's 44%. Every year he is near 50% shooting.-Wade can't get to the line at will? I guess leading the league in FTA per game isn't enough for you?-Never said anything bad about GA as a playmaker, but Wade is a much better playmaker.-Arenas has also been healthy all year, hasn't had his second option go down with injury for first half of year, hasn't had his PG down much of the season, hasn't had one of his top shooter shooting below 30% from 3 and 40% from line, etc... Wade has had a MUCH crappier team to work with this year. And despite that, he has still kept them a few games over .500 when he has played.-Hmmm....who put up 36PPG in Finals, incluidng 40PPG over the last 4 games, a few GW shots, passes and steals? Oh yeah, Dwyane Wade. Who clanked 2 free throws in game 6 of first round of playoffs vs Cleveland after LeBron shook him up? Oh yeah, Gilbert Arenas. GA has a lot more to prove for me to even consider him being better than Wade.
Sorry I accidentaly deleted my last post. Hmmm where do we start, okay you did not say scoring you said outside shooting in general go read again, you may have meant it but thats what I was commenting on. I never said Wade can't get to the line but he doesn't extremely own the category either, not to mention refs love Wade and there's no doubt in saying that they favor him. If Dwayne Wade were such a great player then he woudl be able to cope w/ his second option going down and still keep his team running as the finals team they were last year, but he didn't of course they would fall a little bit but they dipped pretty low below .500 before their recent streak. And how is Arenas being healthy all year A BAD THING, it seems as though Wade is pretty injury prone although he plays through it often it's not a good thing to never be at 100%. And YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT GAME WINNERS HAHAHHA, sure Gilbert chocked on the freethrows but he made a big three from 30+ feet back to take them to overtime. Chicago bulls playoffs year before he won decisive game 5 on a three. Bucks this year big three from very far back from the three, won the game. Jazz, game winning three. Not to mention countless times he's scored at the end of quarter, 11 times THIS SEASON.
[quote name='GArenas' post='266321' date='Jan 19 2007, 10:23 PM']Sorry I accidentaly deleted my last post. Hmmm where do we start, okay you did not say scoring you said outside shooting in general go read again, you may have meant it but thats what I was commenting on.[/quote]When I said considerably better shooting I meant shooting %. Sorry if I worded that wrong. The refs love Arenas, too. Either way both can get to the line at will. It isn't just his 2nd option. Williams, starting PG, has been unhealthy all season and has missed about half the season. Walker has been absolutely TERRIBLE this year and missed many games. Posey has missed quite a few games. GP is shooting under 40%. Their coach had to take a leave of absence. In other words, TONS of things have damaged this team aside from Shaq's injury. Meanwhile Arenas has 2 all star caliber players and good, solid role players that have had little injury this year.Wade's not injury prone. His first injury was wisdom teeth which is hard to avoid, and the other injury was Kirk Hinrich holding his wrist as he was running around, thus spraining it. He has played over 75 games the past 2 seasons. I can name countless times Wade has been clutch as well. Carried his team in NCAA torunament all the way to Final 4, hit 2 game winner in first ever playoff series, carried his team to 6 games against the 60 win Pacers team in rookie season, game winner during 2005, amazing series without Shaq vs Wizards that year, 17 straight points against Pistons including buzzer beater, NBA Finals games 3, 5, and 6, and then a few times this year. Arenas still has more to prove in clutch, especially in playoffs. Those missed free throws left a terrible taste in my mouth.
You think that he has more to prove in the clutch department because you have not been watching him all season long, he's proved that he can show up big when it matters. I never thought someone would actually doubt Arenas of being clutch, of all things. The Heat have had terrible luck this year but it's not like Wade has been that great cure, before all their players started coming back recently they had dipped to 12-18....let me remidn you that the Wizards have not been so non-injury prone themselves. At one point we had, Brendan Haywood, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, and Micheal Ruffin out. Basically we were playing big man less and Gilbert came up big and delivered the victory.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jan 19 2007, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You think that he has more to prove in the clutch department because you have not been watching him all season long, he's proved that he can show up big when it matters. I never thought someone would actually doubt Arenas of being clutch, of all things. The Heat have had terrible luck this year but it's not like Wade has been that great cure, before all their players started coming back recently they had dipped to 12-18....let me remidn you that the Wizards have not been so non-injury prone themselves. At one point we had, Brendan Haywood, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, and Micheal Ruffin out. Basically we were playing big man less and Gilbert came up big and delivered the victory.</div>Until he can do it in the playoffs to even a quarter of the extent Wade has then I will say it is very close. Arenas has been amazing in the clutch this season, but it is only the regular season where Wade ha salso had his great moments.Yes, dipped to 12-18 as Wade missed about 6-7 games in which they lost I believe all of them. Even though Wizards role players have been a bit banged up, he still had 2 20PPG scorers who also do other things to help win games and help come up huge. No one on the Heat outside of Wade has done that this season.
Even without those games, Wade's team was still below .500, Gilbert had great moments in the playoffs too. Bulls-Wizards decisive game 5, Arenas has the ball w/ clock ticking takes the three Wizards lead series 3-2. The same game he missed those free-throws he knocked down a three from 30 feet back to take them to overtime. Arenas has done it in the playoffs and during the regular season. Wizards are a better team than the Heat, if you take both Arenas and Flash out but if you were to switch their teams I would promise you that Arenas would be doing just as well as flash is.
Even without those games, Wade's team was still below .500, Gilbert had great moments in the playoffs too. Bulls-Wizards decisive game 5, Arenas has the ball w/ clock ticking takes the three Wizards lead series 3-2. The same game he missed those free-throws he knocked down a three from 30 feet back to take them to overtime. Arenas has done it in the playoffs and during the regular season. Wizards are a better team than the Heat, if you take both Arenas and Flash out but if you were to switch their teams I would promise you that Arenas would be doing just as well as flash is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jan 19 2007, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even without those games, Wade's team was still below .500, Gilbert had great moments in the playoffs too. Bulls-Wizards decisive game 5, Arenas has the ball w/ clock ticking takes the three Wizards lead series 3-2. The same game he missed those free-throws he knocked down a three from 30 feet back to take them to overtime. Arenas has done it in the playoffs and during the regular season. Wizards are a better team than the Heat, if you take both Arenas and Flash out but if you were to switch their teams I would promise you that Arenas would be doing just as well as flash is.</div>Wow, 2 games in the first round of playoffs...not nearly impressive as what Wade has done in the post seaosn...not even CLOSE. I'm sick of people making assumptions like that. We don't know what would happen if they switched teams, it's absolutely impossible to tell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jan 19 2007, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, 2 games in the first round of playoffs...not nearly impressive as what Wade has done in the post seaosn...not even CLOSE. I'm sick of people making assumptions like that. We don't know what would happen if they switched teams, it's absolutely impossible to tell.</div> Gilbert has played 16 career playoff games Dwayne Wade has played in 44......Gilbert has not gotten enough chances to prove himself and you can not argue in the fact that Gilbert has improved alot since last year to become a bonafide superstar, couple months ago people were comparing him more to players like Chris Paul, not Dwayne Wade. He's matured as a player and a person and this will help him to play like himself when it comes playoff time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jan 20 2007, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gilbert has played 16 career playoff games Dwayne Wade has played in 44......Gilbert has not gotten enough chances to prove himself and you can not argue in the fact that Gilbert has improved alot since last year to become a bonafide superstar, couple months ago people were comparing him more to players like Chris Paul, not Dwayne Wade. He's matured as a player and a person and this will help him to play like himself when it comes playoff time.</div>Who the hell would compare Gilbert to Paul? Gilbert is a scorer, Paul is a true PG...Yes, he's matured as a person and player, but he is still not quite on Dwyane Wade's level yet. Wade, despite being in only his 4th season, is one of the most accomplished clutch players and playoff players in the league. Until he proves he can do even 1/4 of what Wade has done in the playoffs I just can't say he is a better clutch player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jan 20 2007, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who the hell would compare Gilbert to Paul? Gilbert is a scorer, Paul is a true PG... Yes, he's matured as a person and player, but he is still not quite on Dwyane Wade's level yet. Wade, despite being in only his 4th season, is one of the most accomplished clutch players and playoff players in the league. Until he proves he can do even 1/4 of what Wade has done in the playoffs I just can't say he is a better clutch player.</div> There was a thread about CP/Gil in august LOL.........Gilbert has done it during the regular season because he hasn't played in enough games to prove it in playoff time however this year, with the Wizards being a top East team he should be able to prove himself in the post-season.
Wade is a creation of david stern. These new nba ruels + the way he is officiated make him look better. All he can do is drive. And defenders cant' do anything about it. Early on in games, defenders get touch fouls on the perimeter so they soften up their d and let wade drive. Great freelance defender but is a bad man to man defender. He'd be a kevin johnson type of player in the handcheck era. No way near the player he is now.Arenas on the hand is just a flat out stud. Doesn't rely on penetration and calls to score. Jumper, 3 point shot, lay up, anything, he can do it. He is also clutch as hell......Now let's see how many responses I get.
Melo061 knows what he's saying, but Gilbert does penetrate alot as well Melo, however his outside shot is VERY reliable.
