<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Bulls do not have to give up Luol Deng (they do not want to trade their top scorer, Ben Gordon), they may have to part with Andres Nocioni ? whom West is said to admire ? to go along with P. J. Brown and his expiring $8.5 million contract. Even more attractive would be the first-round pick the Bulls received from the Knicks, and a young player like Thabo Sefolosha or Tyrus Thomas, each a rookie. The Grizzlies would have to include another player, like Chucky Atkins or Hakim Warrick, to make such a deal work.</div> Read more...
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rumors rumors rumors.</div> There's a new rumor every day, and there's little to no truth to any of them, especially the Chicago-Memphis rumors. I'm going to try to stop commenting on these deals until one actually happens. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, I doubt Memphis includes Hakim Warrick in any deal.</div> Why? He's one of their least valuable assets. And the fact that this article suggests trading Nocioni for Gasol doesn't even phase anyone? What's next, Evan Eschmeyer for Kobe Bryant? Psh...
Nocioni, a large expiring contract and a high first rounder for Gasol and a filler. If I was Chicago, I wouldn't do it, that first rounder could prove to be too valuable.
yes like someone said rumors rumors rumors. like i said n another thread here, Pau Gasol is not going to a western conference team. Possible Contenders in the east that Gasol would go to. Washington- Would have to give up Caron Butler would they do it especially if they feel they could go all the way with running and gunning style which runnin and gunnin do not get u championships. They also have a lower pick than Chicago. Detroit-Would they give up Tayshaun or Rip Hamilton? Thats basically the Luol Deng and/or Ben Gordon deal for Gasol, I really doubt its going to happen. Has a lower pick then Chicago. Cleveland-Who do they have that Memphis would want on that team except Lebron? NO 1st round PICK. Indiana- Just made a move and they already have a 20/10 type post-player JO. NO 1st round PICK. Orlando- Who do they have to trade? Orlando is not going to give up Dwight Howard and they dont have NO 1st round PICK. New Jersey- Vince Carter is the only person they want to trade, and he has an expiring contract and will not resign with Memphis. Has a lower pick than Chicago. Chicago-P.J. Brown, Chris Duhon gives them a young PG with leadership skills, Mike Sweetney, Malik Allen, or Viktor Khryapa who ever. the 2007 pick (dont know if you can trade the option or wut but i know they are the only of these top teams that will give Memphis the highest pick) have 2 2nd rounders that we dont need (remember yall great players can come out of the 2nd round picks and just because u get a top 5 pick doesnt guaruntee they will not b a bust) our 2008 pick and 2nd rounders, we cant trade consecutive picks but if we protect it our something and they can still get it i dunno. 2009 2nd round pick. These are the only contenders in the east. Boston has things that interest Memphis but y would Pau Gasol go to a team that has only one more win then them and im sure Pau Gasol would not be happy in Boston so any GM would not trade for a player that would not want to b there. Its possible we can get Gasol without trading a core player. If this happens we will be the best team in the league mayb not by standings which dont mean nothing until u win it all. We already dont get respect they dont want that it 2 happen. think about not having to trade our core players Kirk Hinrich vs Devin Harris Ben Gordon vs Jason Terry Luol Deng vs Josh Howard Pau Gasol vs Dirk Nowitzki Ben Wallace vs Erick Dampier Andres Nocioni vs Jerry Stackhouse Now remember if we get Gasol without trading our core players our guys fg% will only get higher and since we r also in the top 15 in scoring just think about it. Also teams wont use zone defense to beat us because it wont work as much now that will have a post-player and also we will get more rebounds which hurts us because of our lack of height. I really also dont want to trade the rookies but i dont know they might want Sefolosha since they need a guard or Tyrus Thomas since they need a big but Chris Duhon is a good/leader/PG we have a pick inwhich they can get a big, they get P.J. Brown for a year and Mike Sweetney, or Malik Allen, and or Viktor Khryapa.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nocioni, a large expiring contract and a high first rounder for Gasol and a filler. If I was Chicago, I wouldn't do it, that first rounder could prove to be too valuable.</div> The Knicks aren't doing great this season, but they are not doing incredible bad neither. If we were offered this trade, I would do it in a second. Not to mention we get to keep our two featured offensive weapons this season in Deng and Gordon.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'd rather lose Deng then Noce.</div> Although, Noc is a better defender, I believe Deng has more upside to his game than Noc will have in the future. Deng spent only one year at Duke, and came into the league putting up gawky numbers at a young age. I can't wait to see what he will be doing when he is 26-28. I would rather trade Noc...
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Orlando- Who do they have to trade? Orlando is not going to give up Dwight Howard and they dont have NO 1st round PICK. </div> Grant Hill's expiring $17 million? Darko? Redick? One of our selection of wing players? A lot?
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Although, Noc is a better defender, I believe Deng has more upside to his game than Noc will have in the future. Deng spent only one year at Duke, and came into the league putting up gawky numbers at a young age. I can't wait to see what he will be doing when he is 26-28. I would rather trade Noc...</div> I'd rather have a better defender and a guy who works harder to get the ball and score.
Okay, everything is obvious here. We know Noc is our "core" player. We know how hard of worker Noc is. We know all these guys play great together. Now what we have to ask our self is: "has this got us anywhere?" The answer is: NO. And it's not getting us anywhere this year. You cannot expect to win without taking chances. Hell, you can't expect to get anywhere in life without taking a chance! Now, this is crazy, but think about comparing this to trading Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright. No one would have ever thought about. In all actuality, it seemed as though they traded down. In the case of Noc for Gasol, you'd be trading up. I'm not concerned with trading our 2007 draft pick. I think we are done developing. Technically we're still a really developing team. Obviously, Deng and Gordon are going to be superstars. We have to build around them. They are invaluable. Hinrich i think is also invaluable. Great skills and heart, and great leadership at the point. If anything this is how the trade should look: Andres Nocioni PJ Brown 2007 pick for Pau Gasol and whoever else they want to give us. If the Grizzles want Tyrus Thomas, then I wan Hakim Warrick. If the Grizzles want Thabo Sefolosha then I want Rudy Gay, Eddie Jones, or even Mike Miller. If they want Duhon, then I want Damon Stoudamire or Chuck Atkins. Memphis knows they're not going anywhere. Memphis knows that Pau Gasol isn't their future. Their future is in the draft and developing young players that would take over Gasol's spot. This is their sixth year with Gasol. It would be wise for both parties to make the trade. If you do not think we'd be the best team in the East, you're crazy. SF Deng PF Gasol C Wallace SG Gordon PG Hinrich Gasol gives us an inside presence that we so desire. He would be kicking the ball out to the likes of Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, and Duhon. We'd finally be less reliant on the 3. He would open up the floor, I think Gordon and Hnirich would benefit the most.
You've stated what everyone has already blabbed about on here over the last month. The rumors are still only rumors.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Grant Hill's expiring $17 million? Darko? Redick? One of our selection of wing players? A lot?</div> With that trade, its a 25/50 % chance the trade will help Memphis n the long term more then just helping Orlando. Since a rumor has come out saying Orlando wants to trade Darko, he must not be who and wut every expects him to be especially if 2 contending type teams (Detroit and Orlando) do not want him y would the worst team in the league like Memphis have any use for him. Since Memphis has Mike Miller do they really need J.J. Redick. Everyone thinks Memphis needs a shooting guard but i really do not think they do, they need a point guard. And since yall dont have a 1st round pick to give them would they gamble a 20/10 player for guys that are similair to guys they already have or havent been able to stay on contending teams without a 1st round pick to back the trade up just incase those 2 dont work out for them.
Enough with the trade talk boys and girls, let's get back to reality and wait for anything to happen.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Enough with the trade talk boys and girls, let's get back to reality and wait for anything to happen.</div> lol. its nothing else to talk about since were one move away from being great. id rather have people talking then no one posting like it was sometime last year and people were asking me to post.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol. its nothing else to talk about since were one move away from being great. id rather have people talking then no one posting like it was sometime last year and people were asking me to post.</div> Agreed, its good to hear peoples thoughts on rumors/topics. If that conversation didn't exist then 70% of the posts in this forum (JBB) would likely be gone.
This is getting boring, been the same thing over the last month or so now based on rumors from TV and most commonly the Internet. Everyone let their opinions be known over that time from here on JBB. Let it die now and wait because all of people's "facts" on here are based on rumors alone.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is getting boring, been the same thing over the last month or so now based on rumors from TV and most commonly the Internet. Everyone let their opinions be known over that time from here. Let it die now and wait.</div>Ignore the thread M Two One , Id rather see discussion than a dead forum.
