Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men It's so hard to figure out who are centers and who aren't.1. Kevin Garnett2. Tim Duncan3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Yao Ming5. Elton Brand6. Chris Bosh7. Dwight Howard8. Shaquille O'neal9. Amare Stoudemire10. Jermaine O'nealHonorable Mentions:Marcus CambyBen WallaceEmeka OkaforZydrunas IlgauskusRasheed WallaceMehmet OkurBrad MillerChris KamanCharlie Villanueva
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 12 2006, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What happened to Randolph and Gasol? wtf?</div>Gasol is injured and Randolph is too incosistent. Sunny you spelled Stoudemire wrong. It's a pretty good list but I think Jermaine should be removed until he proves he can stay healthy.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men I think Z should be on the top 10 list. Yao didnt have the best of seasons last year but hes definietly there. I seriously dont think Charlie V is even close to that honour but will be on the top 10 in about 1-2 years.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 12 2006, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Z should be on the top 10 list. Yao didnt have the best of seasons last year but hes definietly there. I seriously dont think Charlie V is even close to that honour but will be on the top 10 in about 1-2 years.</div>Yao had a very good year last year, the only problem is that he missed a few games. Last year was the first year that he really showed dominance and ability to be carry the Rockets offensively over a stretch of games, not in just one or two games. He was easily the best center in the league last year, and is arguably the best center in the league today.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Nov 12 2006, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's so hard to figure out who are centers and who aren't.1. Kevin Garnett2. Tim Duncan3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Yao Ming5. Elton Brand6. Chris Bosh7. Dwight Howard8. Shaquille O'neal9. Amare Stoudamire10. Jermaine O'nealHonorable Mentions:Marcus CambyBen WallaceEmeka OkaforZydrunas IlgauskusRasheed WallaceMehmet OkurBrad MillerChris KamanCharlie Villanueva</div>Jermaine O'neal behind Yao, CB4, and Dwight Howard? that is ridiculous. JO has been a top 3 NBA player, won 61 games, and helped carved the path to the modern nba power forward/center.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men yeah, he's also not any better than those players now when healthy, and he can't play a full season. my list:1. Dirk Nowitzki2. Tim Duncan3. Kevin Garnett4. Yao Ming5. Elton Brand6. Pau Gasol7. Dwight HowardT-8. Chris BoshT-8. Jermaine O'Neal10. Amare Stoudemire
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 12 2006, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, he's also not any better than those players now when healthy, and he can't play a full season. my list:1. Dirk Nowitzki2. Tim Duncan3. Kevin Garnett4. Yao Ming5. Elton Brand6. Pau Gasol7. Dwight HowardT-8. Chris BoshT-8. Jermaine O'Neal10. Amare Stoudemire</div>this is only getting worse. Pau Gasol better than JO? maybe in FIBA.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men I do feel that Chris Bosh deserves to be ahead of Dwight Howard on that list, at this point in time. Bosh is more able to carry a team by himself than Howard can at this point in time. He has a much better offensive arsenal than Howard does, with more offensive moves, and a more range on his shot. As I said, he can just carry a team better by himself than Howard can right now. That being said, there is no doubt in my mind, that with just a little more offensive maturity and developing he would be better, and will become better than Bosh.As for Jermaine O'neal, just because he has been on a team that has won 61 games in a season does not make him better than all of those players. Also just because he " helped carve the way for the modern low post player," does not make him better. Julius Irving's high flying ways helped carve the way for the wings, and many people copied elements of his game including Michael Jordan, does that make him better than Michael Jordan? I feel Bosh, and Yao ming are ahead of Jermaine O'neal right now, and Howard is on O'neal's level. Howard just isn't as NBA and court savy as O'neal. He has the abilities and body to be much better than O'neal.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 12 2006, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal behind Yao, CB4, and Dwight Howard? that is ridiculous. JO has been a top 3 NBA player, won 61 games, and helped carved the path to the modern nba power forward/center.</div>You are obiviously biased with that statement. :no3:
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men 1.) Tim Duncan2.) Dirk Nowitzki3.) Kevin Garnett4.) Elton Brand5.) Yao Ming6.) Dwight Howard7.) Shaquille O'neal8.) Chris Bosh9.) Jermaine O'Neal10. Emeka OkaforThat's my list, I left Amare off until he gets healthy.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 12 2006, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1.) Tim Duncan2.) Dirk Nowitzki3.) Kevin Garnett4.) Elton Brand5.) Yao Ming6.) Dwight Howard7.) Shaquille O'neal8.) Chris Bosh9.) Jermaine O'Neal10. Emeka OkaforThat's my list, I left Amare off until he gets healthy.</div>I don't want to be picky or anything, but it's hard to leave Amare off the list and say he needs to get healthy, and put Emeka Okafor up there. Both were hurt alot last season, and it's early in this season.My list looks kind a little similar though1) Tim Duncan2) Dirk3) Kevin Garnett4) Elton Brand5) Yao Ming6) Chris Bosh7a) Dwigh Howard7b) Jermaine O'neal9) Shaq10) Ben Wallace
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men Come on, Amare had one good game against a team that didnt have a player over 6'9 in it. Hes only been averaging 10ppg. How is he in top 10?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 12 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this is only getting worse. Pau Gasol better than JO? maybe in FIBA.</div>And sorry to break it to you, Gasol is proven to be better than JO in the past season.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men This is ridiculous. You guys know nothing about JO and have never seen him play. I'm not biased. You can't name a single guy who looks forward to playing him. He has so many post moves, can hit the 20 footer so easily, can take it to the hole, blocks shots easily, rebounds over people easily... there's so much more I can say, but I'm not going to, I'm done with this topic, cause you guys are very ignorant.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 12 2006, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is ridiculous. You guys know nothing about JO and have never seen him play. I'm not biased. You can't name a single guy who looks forward to playing him. He has so many post moves, can hit the 20 footer so easily, can take it to the hole, blocks shots easily, rebounds over people easily... there's so much more I can say, but I'm not going to, I'm done with this topic, cause you guys are very ignorant.</div>No, It's you who are ignorant. How would you know if they seen him play or not? Your the most biased fan I have ever seen on this board. Jermaine O'Neal is NOT a top 3 player in the NBA, I can name at least 15 players better than him.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men I have seen Jermaine O'neal play alot of games, and your right he does have alot of good post moves, he has a decent shot, and hes a smart and pretty good defensive player. That being said, he often times actually ruins the flow of the ball on the Indiana team. He usually holds the ball for a good 4 or 5 or 6 seconds before even doing anything, while the rest of his team starts to go in motion. Then they usually get bored and stop going in motion, and the team suffers on offense. Saw alot of that in the Bulls game last night, saw in the Orlando game the night before, and have seen all throughout his career.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Nov 12 2006, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gasol is injured and Randolph is too incosistent. Sunny you spelled Stoudemire wrong. It's a pretty good list but I think Jermaine should be removed until he proves he can stay healthy.</div>Randolph should at least be in the honorable mentions. This season as of a couple days ago, he was putting up 29 and 10. If you want to call that inconsistent, be my guess, but he is a hell of a player and is very underrated. He is strong with the ball and a great low post player, and his outside game isnt bad either. He lacks defensive talent, but if he had better defenders around him, his defensive presence would be better IMO. He isnt top ten IMO, but he is definitely close.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men Here's mine:1. Kevin Garnett2. Tim Duncan3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Elton Brand5. Yao Ming6. Chris Bosh7. Shaquille O'Neal8. Jermaine O'Neal9. Dwight Howard10. Pau Gasol
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <span style="font-family:Tahoma">1. Kevin Garnett2. Dirk Nowitzki3. Elton Brand4. Tim Duncan5. Yao Ming6. Dwight Howard7. Pau Gasol8. Jermaine O' Neal9. Ben Wallace10. Chris BoshI had to edit mine. I forgot Bosh! I took Shaq off of #10. He's too old now.</span>
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Nov 12 2006, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gasol is injured and Randolph is too incosistent. Sunny you spelled Stoudemire wrong. It's a pretty good list but I think Jermaine should be removed until he proves he can stay healthy.</div>Randolph is averaging 26 and 10, and you dont think he should get an honorable mention over freaking Charlie V, Mehmet Okur, and Emeka Okafor? That's ridiculous. He has been dominate in the post. The man has so much talent in him. And Pau Gasol is injured, yeah, so what? He is still one of the best big men in the League. His defense his improved alot since he came into the League, he can shoot, score in the post, get some boards, blocks, etc...He is in the top 10 on my list, and he should definately get some mentions if you are going to put other less-deserving guys in there. That's the problem with having honorable mentions. You're always going to forget about some guys.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 12 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Z should be on the top 10 list. Yao didnt have the best of seasons last year but hes definietly there. I seriously dont think Charlie V is even close to that honour but will be on the top 10 in about 1-2 years.</div>Ilgauskus on the top 10 list? Are you out of your freaking mind? And I doubt Charlie is one of the best big men in the League in a mere 1 or 2 years. His offense will be there, but his defense is so bad, that it will probably hold him back.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Nov 12 2006, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Tahoma">1. Kevin Garnett2. Dirk Nowitzki3. Elton Brand4. Tim Duncan5. Yao Ming6. Dwight Howard7. Pau Gasol8. Jermaine O' Neal9. Ben Wallace10. Chris BoshI had to edit mine. I forgot Bosh! I took Shaq off of #10. He's too old now.</span></div>Having Bosh as low as 10th is ridiculous. Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Ben Wallace, and probably Jermaine O'Neal are not better than Bosh.
