The not too soon off-season Thread

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  1. yankeesince59

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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    I refuse to be duped by these assholes. Their owner needs to sell to people who are willing to spend reliably to build
    a championship team. Hal Steinbrenner is too frugal for my taste. I just get the feeling his interests
    are not mine. He and the other two stooges can………………………….( you can fill in the blank)!
     
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    What can the Yankees learn from the Astros and Phillies’ rosters?


    https://apple.news/AB0bvaEi3RbGNoFHk7lr4Cg


    It’s time for the Yankees to take a page out of another team’s book.

    By Esteban Rivera | November 5, 2022 12:30 pm

    Last year, I pondered how the league, and especially the Yankees, might respond to the construction of both the Astros and Braves’ rosters. At the time, I was probably being a little too reactive when considering what the Yankees could learn from the Braves. Their run was contingent on Eddie Rosario, Joc Pederson, Jorge Soler, and Adam Duvall playing out of their minds and covering for the loss of the teams’ superstar, Ronald Acuña Jr. Realistically, if all the Yankees did in the offseason and trade deadline was acquire mid-tier players that they were hoping to get the absolute most out of, we would have all still been disappointed and hyper critical of Brian Cashman.

    However, there is still something to admire regarding general aggression in trading and doing your best to cover your bases. While Cashman was indeed aggressive when trying to supplement the Yankees’ incredible first half, he still deserves to be criticized for his mistakes in the offseason. No what the process or reasoning was, adding Josh Donaldson and Isiah Kiner-Falefa was a major loss. There were better alternatives out there that could have raised the floor and ceiling of this offense. Cashman sometimes takes on weird gambles, and this was one that didn’t pay out.

    That part is where they could learn from the Phillies. Even considering they have made an incredible run to the World Series, there is no denying this roster has its flaws, so I won’t pretend it’s the perfect team. However, what this team does possess is a core group of players with a high floor and ceiling that is capable of making this kind of run in the playoffs if those players get hot at the same time. The two main players I’m thinking of are, of course, Bryce Harper and J.T. Realmuto.

    Realmuto is the best catcher in baseball and has been for a few years. Combine consistent top tier defense with a wRC+ ranging from 115-130 in any given season and you easily earn the crown. I know the Yankees have Jose Trevino, who was a Gold Glove winner and All-Star this season, but they had a chance to acquire Realmuto for only money when they were constantly considering whether Gary Sánchez was a viable starter. This was the second of two chances they had to swipe up star free agents that eventually signed/re-signed with the Phillies. The other of course was Bryce Harper. I won’t dive too deep into that piece, because you all know plenty about it. But what I will say is this: the Yankees need to invest more into the sure thing. Other than Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton, this team might not have a single “sure thing” in the offense. Bryce Harper is the epitome of that and makes $25 million a season, albeit on a long contract. That mark isn’t far off from the current Yankees third baseman.

    Now, once again, the Yankees have one key thing to learn from the Astros and no, it’s not the pitching. In fact, I think the Yankees have proven to be just as good as the Astros in that department, if not better. Call me crazy, but I just think Matt Blake and Sam Briend are really damn good at their jobs. Anyways, we are brought back to what has plagued the Yankees for multiple years now: the shortstop position.

    Despite letting Carlos Correa walk in free agency, the Astros confidently stood by their next best option in Jeremy Peña. The offense in the postseason has probably taken them by a slight surprise, but what hasn’t is his incredible defense. They took a chance on his high defensive floor and decided to let the offense develop however it would. When acquiring IKF, the Yankees took a chance on both defense and offense. You simply cannot do that with this position. During any game, mistakes at shortstop can be very costly — you need a sure thing there. No team will ever play three different shortstops in the playoffs and win the World Series. It’s just not going to happen. I’m not even saying Carlos Correa needed to be on this team. To be frank, Miguel Rojas would have sufficed. Or even better, giving Peraza the chance to play everyday months before the playoffs would have been nice. Either way, I think the Yankees have learned you can’t cheat the shortstop position. It will never work.

    Okay, my rant is over for now. I know it won’t sway Brian Cashman in any direction, but perhaps losing will. Coming to grips in the middle of the playoffs that your team doesn’t have a starting shortstop is pretty embarrassing if you ask me. It’s an admission of a gigantic mess up on the biggest stage. Everybody should experience some humility from time to time, especially those in an industry that are judged by their wins and losses. Instead of always thinking you’re the smartest in the room, it may be nice to learn from other teams sometimes. Don’t get me wrong, I think this team has made many great decisions because they are very smart in several areas, but if you continue to lose and not change your tactics, you will fall behind the crowd.






     
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    I was surpised to see Sir Didi ejected from the Phillies roster (earlier this season).
     
  5. yankeesince59

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    Well, this is just fucking great;

    Cashman, are you serious?...please, just stop.
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    https://apple.news/AYnqX36LUQcC2pqvT2EQ87A


    Josh Donaldson to Remain Yankees 3B Next Season Despite Struggles, Brian Cashman Says

    Josh Donaldson isn't going anywhere.

    New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told reporters Tuesday that Donaldson will remain the team's third baseman next season despite his struggles in 2022, per Sports Illustrated's Pat Ragazzo.

    "Cash went on to laud Donaldson’s defense and says his offense is better than what he showed last season, they believe he still has a lot left," Ragazzo wrote in a Twitter post.

    Cashman's comments come after Yankees manager Aaron Boone evaluated Donaldson's 2022 season during an appearance on The Michael Kay Show (h/t Sports Illustrated's Max Goodman) last week:

    "I know it was a grind for him offensively, I know it was a struggle like it was, frankly, for a lot of our guys in the postseason. We didn't perform as well as we would have liked offensively. That wasn't all Josh. But the competitive at-bat thing I think was there, especially because he was one of the guys actually getting on base at a consistent clip, even in the postseason. It was just getting to that big hit or big swing that would really help get him rolling. That didn't happen for a number of our guys."

    The Yankees hoped Donaldson, who was acquired in the deal that sent Gary Sánchez and Gio Urshela to the Minnesota Twins ahead of the 2022 campaign, could revive his career in the Bronx.

    Instead, he put together one of the worst offensive performances of his career as he struggled at the dish, hitting .222/.308/.374 with 15 home runs and 62 RBI in 132 regular-season games. He also struck out 148 times.

    Those struggles continued into the postseason as the Yankees went on to be swept by the Houston Astros in the American League Championship Series after finishing first in the AL East with a 99-63 record. Donaldson hit .172/.333/.207 in nine playoff games and struck out 16 times.

    The one thing that is likely keeping Donaldson's job safe is the fact he had a solid season defensively with 78 putouts and 220 assists.

    Donaldson is set to earn $21 million in 2023, the final year of his contract. If he doesn't turn things around at the plate, it's reasonable to believe the Yankees will move on either by the trade deadline or after the season.
     
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    Yankees should have already fired Cashman and hired click and let him build a team.
     
  7. yankeesince59

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    Here's our problem; (not that we didn't already know)


    https://apple.news/A-3gqO7FkTWaW3a6NIF6YlA


    Hal Steinbrenner rejects notion Yankees are stagnant: 'Constantly evolving'

    The Yankees have not won a World Series title since 2009 and recently had their season ended by the Astros in the ALCS for the third time in the last six years.

    But Hal Steinbrenner, who is bringing back Aaron Boone as manager for a sixth year and is expected to do the same with general manager Brian Cashman for a 26th year, takes issue with the notion that his franchise is stuck in its ways.

    “We get accused of being a stagnant organization sometimes. We’re not,” Steinbrenner said in an interview with YES Network that aired Monday night. “We’re constantly evolving and Cash is great at that.

    “It’s just not accurate,” Steinbrenner later added. “If it was, then we would make changes here.”

    Steinbrenner declined to get into his negotiations with Cashman, who is working without a contract after his last one expired on Oct. 31, but said “we do not have an agreement at this point.” The interview took place shortly after the conclusion of the World Series, according to YES.

    After his team was swept by the Astros in the ALCS, the Yankees’ managing general partner said it was “unacceptable what happened,” but largely chalked it up to injuries. The Yankees were missing contact-oriented batters DJ LeMahieu and Andrew Benintendi, and relievers Chad Green, Michael King, Scott Effross and Ron Marinaccio to injuries during their playoff run.

    “I’m not going to make excuses, [but] they did go into the playoffs a bit healthier than us,” Steinbrenner said of the Astros. “But like I said, they’re a great team. I don’t believe they’re doing anything that we’re not doing.

    “I think we all have to realize that the team we fielded Opening Day that Cash put together was one of the most dominant teams in all of baseball for months — not weeks, months. Then we got hit by a lot of significant injuries. … Had we rolled into the postseason relatively healthy, particularly with a couple players like Benintendi and LeMahieu, a couple good contact hitters, I think we would have done better in the playoffs. I think we would have scored more runs.”

    Among the other areas Steinbrenner addressed in his sit-down with YES:

    After giving Boone a vote of confidence a few days after the Yankees were knocked out — and a year after he re-signed him to a three-year deal — Steinbrenner was asked why he thinks he has the right manager.

    “Because the players respect him and they want to play for him and they want to win for him,” he said. “If I didn’t think that was the case, as in years past, I would have made a change. But Aaron Boone wasn’t responsible for our offense, the slide they experienced the last couple months of the season rolling into the postseason. That was not his responsibility. And we had a lot of injuries.”

    Steinbrenner said “some of the critique” about Boone’s in-game decisions this postseason “is justified,” but that overall, he “makes a lot of good decisions.”

    As Aaron Judge’s free agency looms over the Yankees’ entire offseason, Steinbrenner said he has had multiple conversations with the right fielder since the season ended and “made it clear to him we’re gonna do everything we can to make [him re-signing] happen.”

    “If it doesn’t happen, we will move on the best we can,” Steinbrenner said. “But there’s no doubt he means a lot to the organization and a lot to the fan base, rightfully so.”

    Steinbrenner said the Yankees would “consider” naming Judge captain if he re-signs.

    Steinbrenner made multiple references to the Yankees’ young trio of Anthony Volpe, Oswald Peraza and Oswaldo Cabrera. Peraza and Cabrera made their MLB debuts this season while Volpe finished the year in Triple-A, but all three could be involved in the competition for shortstop this spring.

    “We’ll see how they do in spring training and how everything shakes out,” Steinbrenner said. “But like I said in March, it’s certainly my intent to see those two guys [Volpe and Peraza] in the middle of the infield and now we have Cabrera as well who came up this year when we needed him and did a great job overall.”
     
  8. yankeesince59

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    I see the Rizzo signing as a more hopeful sign that we'll also resign Judge...but just as importantly, in order to improve the lineup even further, we need to also free up more payroll money by eliminating at least 2 of the 3 roster spots occupied by Stanton, Hicks, and Donaldson, if not all 3.

    ...otherwise, not much changes next year.
     
  9. yankeesince59

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    Not surprisingly, Judge wins the MVP...nice award trophy to put on his mantle piece.

    Now, give our next Captain his due and give him the contact that will keep him in the Bronx for the rest of his HOF career.
     
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    Yanx have made Judge an offer;


    https://apple.news/ABFMfirH7RCaptX4oszfIdw

    Brian Cashman: Yankees have offer on table for Aaron Judge: 'on the clock'

    Brian Cashman acknowledged for the first time Thursday night that the club has extended another contract proposal to its freshly minted Most Valuable Player — the first publicly known offer since spring training.

    “We’re on the clock. So we’re certainly not going to mess around,” the Yankees general manager said from this year’s Covenant House Sleep Out at Silverstein Family Park, where he was set to sleep outside to raise awareness and funds for homeless youth. “So of course we’ve made another offer.”

    Judge rejected a seven-year, $213.5 million offer from the club before the season began, a deadline the star outfielder imposed. Judge proceeded to enjoy a monster year in which he set the club and AL record for home runs (62), which culminated with the MVP honor shortly before Cashman spoke.

    Cashman texted Judge to offer congratulations and said he has stayed in contact with the free agent, as well as his agent, Page Odle. According to Cashman, the conversations began the day after the Yankees’ season ended.

    “Hal [Steinbrenner] and I have both talked to Aaron Judge together. Hal has talked to Aaron directly as well more than once at least,” Cashman said. “We’re engaged with them.”

    Cashman, who publicly released the terms of the spring training offer Judge declined, did not reveal the specifics of the more recent proposal or when it was proposed.

    “We will do what we can to make sure he stays where he belongs. But that’s our opinion,” said Cashman, who called Judge’s MVP nod “well-deserved.”

    Cashman cautioned that he does not know about Judge’s market. He said he has “no idea” about the other offers Judge is looking at or what elements in a contract are most important to Judge.

    He placed the ball in Judge’s and his representation’s court.

    “They know where the New York Yankees stand,” said Cashman, who still is operating without a new contract but said his own deal “will work itself out over time.”

    If Judge leaves the team that drafted him in 2013, the widespread belief is the Giants, his favorite team as a child growing up in Northern California, lurk as the most likely landing spot.

    Cashman said he believes Judge “loved” being a Yankee but acknowledged the unknown factors that might tug at the 30-year-old.

    “Does he daydream about elsewhere?” Cashman said. “Only he can answer that.”
     
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    Twins trade Gio Urshela to the Angels for essentially nothing...WTF ?
     
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    IKF resigned;

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    Yankees Rumors: Isiah Kiner-Falefa Agrees to 1-Year, $6M Contract in Free Agency

    Isiah Kiner-Falefa is reportedly staying in the Bronx.

    The shortstop has agreed to a one-year, $6 million deal with the New York Yankees to avoid arbitration, ESPN's Jeff Passan reported Friday.

    Kiner-Falefa spent the 2022 season with the Yankees after playing the first four years of his career with the Texas Rangers. He didn't contribute much offensively and struggled defensively in his first season with the Pinstripes.

    The 27-year-old slashed .261/.314/.327 with four home runs and 48 RBI in 142 games, though he did post a career-high 22 stolen bases. That said, no one expected him to be an offensive force, and those numbers are in line with his career averages.

    On the fielding side, though, Kiner-Falefa committed 16 errors in 2022, tied for 10th in Major League Baseball. He also had a disappointing postseason and was part of a miscue that helped the Houston Astros take the lead in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series and sweep the Yankees.

    With so many talented shortstops available in free agency—Xander Bogaerts, Carlos Correa, Trea Turner and Dansby Swanson—some believed the Yankees would inquire about those players.

    However, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told reporters earlier this month that he believed his internal options could get the job done at shortstop in 2023:

    "There's obviously a lot of great talented players that are available in the marketplace via trade and free agency. ... I think we have people that can handle the position and I think that we have people pushing up that want an opportunity that they're ready for the next step. ... I think that we have coverage already and now it’s just exploring, like every position, can we be better, is there better options?”

    Beyond Kiner-Falefa, the Yankees can turn to Oswald Peraza, Oswaldo Cabrera and Gleyber Torres at shortstop in 2023.

    It's not surprising that Cashman may not be willing to shell out the money needed to sign a premier free-agent shortstop. He has to re-sign AL MVP Aaron Judge, who is expected to become one of the highest-paid players in baseball this winter, and upgrade other areas to make the Yankees World Series contenders.
     
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    Predicting/Hoping that the Yanx will package Gleyber Torres and 1 of our many young SSs in a deal to jettison at least 1 of Stanton, Hicks, Donaldson, who together, take up $63 Mil in payroll.

    Even if the Yanx are able to free up only 1 one of these valuable roster spots, it will free up a lot of payroll money that will allow them to sign Judge & maybe even acquire another SS...Trea Turner?
     
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    ]Here's our problem;


    https://apple.news/A-3gqO7FkTWaW3a6NIF6YlA


    “Hal Steinbrenner rejects notion Yankees are stagnant: 'Constantly evolving'”

    The only thing that should be “evolving” right out of the Yankees ownership is you & your GM
    friend who are the only true stagnant people in the organization. Neither of you knows real talent..
    But, by all means, continue saving money by penny pinching where it’s not warranted, and
    then overspend when it should not be warranted. It’s been 13 years and counting…………
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    Keeping IKF & Donaldson on the left side of the infield = catastrophe
    and definite stubbornness on the GM / owner’s part……even to the point
    of keeping an incompetent manager at the helm of these misguided Yankees.

    Such a troika will not bring a Championship to the Bronx.

    What the owner tells all Yankee fans is……Get used to the way I run my team,
    take it or leave it. I guess I’ll leave it to these 3 geniuses!
     
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    Toronto Blue Jays hire Don Mattingly as bench coach

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35146285/toronto-blue-jays-hire-don-mattingly-bench-coach



    TORONTO -- Don Mattingly was expecting to spend a summer at home with his family. A call from the Toronto Blue Jays convinced him to get back into baseball.

    Mattingly, who left his job as Miami Marlins manager at the end of last season, is joining Toronto's staff as bench coach to manager John Schneider, the team announced Wednesday.

    Mattingly said he'd been contacted by multiple clubs with offers for 2023, but nothing interested him until Blue Jays general manager Ross Atkins called to chat.

    "Just the first conversation, it felt great, honestly," Mattingly said on a video call Wednesday. "It piqued my interest right away."

    Mattingly managed against the Blue Jays in 2020 and 2021.

    "Knowing the talent and seeing it, I know it's a really good club," Mattingly said. "You look at the combination of youth and experience, and an offense that can throw runs up. Over the last few years I've seen these guys. They throw runs up in a hurry. I think all the ingredients are there to win."

    The former New York Yankees slugger and six-time All-Star joins the Blue Jays after seven seasons with the Marlins. Mattingly won NL Manager of the Year honors with Miami in 2020.

    "Credibility and experience are achieved in many different ways, and Don's is unique for our staff," Atkins said. "Experience and credibility are words that get used a lot in professional sports, and in life and in corporate worlds. It's hard to quantify exactly how valuable that is, but I think it's something that will create that calming impact and influence, and help not only with performance and lack thereof, but also with accountability, which will be huge."

    Before Miami, Mattingly won three division titles in five seasons as manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers. He also worked as hitting coach and bench coach for the Yankees, and as hitting coach of the Dodgers before his managerial stint in Los Angeles.

    In Toronto, Mattingly replaces Casey Candaele, who was promoted from Triple-A Buffalo to serve as Schneider's bench coach after the Jays fired manager Charlie Montoyo in July, replacing him with Schneider. The Blue Jays said Candaele will resume his job as manager of the Triple-A Bisons in 2023.

    Mattingly spent his entire 14-year playing career with the Yankees, winning nine Gold Gloves at first base, three Silver Slugger awards, the 1984 AL batting title and the 1985 AL MVP award.
     

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