Post any news, rumors, thoughts here. -Kidd and Kobe have been spotted hanging out all weekend. -Kidd has asked to be traded to the Lakers. -Phil is really pushing Buss to get Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The rumor in detail is that LA will take the contract of Jason Collins along with Kidd in exchange for Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Aaron McKie, Brian Cook, Shammond Williams and Smush Parker. The argument is that LA has accepted taking Collins with the inclusion of Parker instead of Farmar. The Nets demanding Cook to offset the talent discrepancy as best possible.</div> I would also imagine there will be some draft picks sent to NJ. The only reason this makes sense for them is because it puts them in Financial Heaven, while killing the Lakers cap wise. We'd have to pay the luxury tax. I'd still be amazed if we kept Farmar, Odom, Bynum, and Walton in a deal. http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_20866.shtml
I'm just wondering, is there any Laker fan that actually thinks we're gonna get Kidd? Personally, I doubt it. I don't want to get all excited and hyped up only to find out no trade will take place. Btw, Mamba, can't you merge the "Kobe Bryant and Jason Kidd Combo" thread together?
Yeah, I'll get to it. There aren't many offers out there for Kidd. The contenders would have to give up too much and I think Thorn has the respect not to trade him to a bottom feeder. There are two teams that are favorites, the Warriors and the Lakers. Granted the Warriors have a better shot and a much better deal, but why would the Nets do it? They want to cut salary...Adonal Foyle won't do that. The Lakers can offer picks and expiring contracts, factor in the fact that Phil wants him badly, Kobe wants him and Kidd has asked to be traded to the Lakers...if Kidd is traded, I think we've got a great shot at him.
Just heard on the ASG shortly before halftime that the Lakers were looking to get Portland involved and Jamaal Magloire would end up being sent to the Nets.
I don't understand the Warriors rumor at all. They already have a maxed up star point guard in Baron Davis, and an up and coming point guard in Monta Ellis. What's the need to bring in another star point guard in Jason Kidd? It just doesn't make sense to me. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Just heard on the ASG shortly before halftime that the Lakers were looking to get Portland involved and Jamaal Magloire would end up being sent to the Nets.</div> It's official. Kidd isn't going to become a Laker. Mitch doesn't have enough brain capacity to pull off a three team deal
I can see the problems with giving up for Kidd. We would have no front court what so ever. Mihm and Kwame would be gone for Collins? That'd be putting a lot of responsibility on Bynum. Regardless, I would do it anyway. :
Unless the Nets get Bynum, there's no benefit for them. What do they get back if they trade Kidd to the Lakers? Mid to late first round picks? Farmar (they took Marcus over him) ? If they're going to rebuild you might as well get some useful pieces. Cap space is a start, but you've got to have some pieces if you want to rebuild. RJ, Krstic, Williams isn't really much. If the Lakers aren't willing to add Bynum I don't see anything in it for the Nets.
<div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Unless the Nets get Bynum, there's no benefit for them. What do they get back if they trade Kidd to the Lakers? Mid to late first round picks? Farmar (they took Marcus over him) ? If they're going to rebuild you might as well get some useful pieces. Cap space is a start, but you've got to have some pieces if you want to rebuild. RJ, Krstic, Williams isn't really much. If the Lakers aren't willing to add Bynum I don't see anything in it for the Nets.</div> i think that this is what makes it so hard for the nets to make a decision, either the expiring contracts help them out for some cap space and FA's and they get some reasonable big men, OR every player they get is crap, their cap space doesnt even help that much, and their draft picks suck really bad.
If the Lakers give up all the people mentioned in Mamba's second post, that's a ton of cap space coming off the book. Beyond that, they could try and resign Mihm as well, who's a very solid big when he's healthy. Regardless of all that, by trading Kidd and Collins, they're getting a ton of cap space back, cause they only player that has years left on a contract in the deal Mamba mentioned is Cook, everyone else is coming off the books. So, while they don't get much in terms of talent back, they get tons of cap space, and when you're rebuilding, cap space is always a good thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand the Warriors rumor at all. They already have a maxed up star point guard in Baron Davis, and an up and coming point guard in Monta Ellis. What's the need to bring in another star point guard in Jason Kidd? It just doesn't make sense to me. It's official. Kidd isn't going to become a Laker. Mitch doesn't have enough brain capacity to pull off a three team deal</div> I don't think you really want Kidd to be with the Lakers. You have been negative about this deal since it began. If your negativity pushes through, and the Lakers don't get Kidd, I hope you stick it out with Smush Parker through the good and bad. Believe this, the Lakers won't win with Smush or even Farmar at the point.
Brian, I have to agree with AMS_ice, I know Mitch is a moron, but be a little positive. At least this is being reported, a lot of last year's rumors weren't reported. I think this deal is imminent, if there is one. The Lakers have needed a third team involved, and they might have found one. C'mon Mitch!
Kobe is prime time right now. I'd jump at the chance to aquire Kidd to win a championship with Kobe. Kobe has a few PRIME years left and Kidd is still one of the premiere guards in the NBA. Make it happen MITCH!
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm just wondering, is there any Laker fan that actually thinks we're gonna get Kidd? Personally, I doubt it. I don't want to get all excited and hyped up only to find out no trade will take place. Btw, Mamba, can't you merge the "Kobe Bryant and Jason Kidd Combo" thread together?</div> I Believe! If the Nets dont trade him then their still getting the wrong end of it coz kidd is old
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Brian, I have to agree with AMS_ice, I know Mitch is a moron, but be a little positive. At least this is being reported, a lot of last year's rumors weren't reported. I think this deal is imminent, if there is one. The Lakers have needed a third team involved, and they might have found one. C'mon Mitch!</div> Artest? Garnett?
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Artest? Garnett?</div> Artest and Garnett were mere speculations. There really wasn't any evidence of Mitch working his butt off to pull out a deal, something he's doing now for Jason Kidd. Anyways, sorry for my negativity. I just don't want it to be another situation where the Lakers let me down again
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers are also unwilling to part with Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and, to a degree, Luke Walton, limiting the pool of players the Nets could acquire from them. Also, the Lakers are somewhat wary of Kidd's weighty contract, which calls for two more seasons at a total of $41 million, which probably would push them into luxury-tax territory the next two seasons.</div> http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/n...ack=1&cset=true It's definitely over now that the Lakers are unwilling to part ways with Bynum and the Lakers don't have any other intriguing young prospects. P.A.P. already mentioned the Jordan Farmar thing, so he wouldn't be of use, especially since they took Marcus Williams over him. The Lakers will probably end up with a pick in the mid 20's so, the first rounder isn't nearly good enough to get the job done. And even if the Nets are hellbent to get rid of Kidd before the deadline, there are better options out there. One better offer is Jason Richardson, Pietrus, and Foyle for Kidd and Collins. Bottomline: Kidd would be a fantastic fit for the Lakers, but they just don't have the necessary chips to get the deal done. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">Artest and Garnett were mere speculations. There really wasn't any evidence of Mitch working his butt off to pull out a deal, something he's doing now for Jason Kidd. Anyways, sorry for my negativity. I just don't want it to be another situation where the Lakers let me down again</div> That's not being negative - it's being realistic.
So I guess no Jason Kidd? Not too disappointed, like I said, I never really let these rumors get into my head, after being let down each and every trade deadline. Either way though, there still is time left for the Lakers to come up with something, but like I said in the beginning, I doubt Jason Kidd's going to become a Laker.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So I guess no Jason Kidd? Not too disappointed, like I said, I never really let these rumors get into my head, after being let down each and every trade deadline. Either way though, there still is time left for the Lakers to come up with something, but like I said in the beginning, I doubt Jason Kidd's going to become a Laker.</div> Living in LA, you should hear rumors like this all the time. This one seems to have more substance to it, but yeah, don't get your hopes up.
