The Universe: Concept that could blow your mind

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Lets assume that this universe was completely natural (designed without intelligence) for argument sake. Don't need some 56 page argument about theism here. I just wanted to toss out something that has really got me thinking.

    So if the big bang was the creation of all matter, space and time. Everything that was first created and will be created has already been created. Meaning, what happened a billion years ago and what happened a billion years from now are as one in this universe.

    Now energy is considered a form of matter. Action like me deciding to write this thread is an example of using "energy". Would that mean that as the Universe expanded, before or whatever; this actual thread was already made? The responses from you have already been given. Kingspeed's ejaculation on pictures of Sly's headshot has already been decided?

    I guess the real question is "All of everything already is during singularity?"
     
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    If a mind could see the universe from above the time dimension, history would appear predetermined. All 4 dimensions would stretch out before him and he would see the universe from its beginning to its end, but stationary and unmoving. The orange fireball of existence would have seams and dimples, like a giant basketball. This great consciousness is why you and I find ourselves together on this board.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Isn't the question actually "Famous nonchalance pickle pigs deciding left Mary Poppins?"

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    LSD or Shrooms this time Mags?
     
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  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I believe this wasn't from psychedelics. Or maybe it planted the seed? Who knows man!

    Whatever the case, the logical thinking would support that everything that has been, is now and will be have all been pre-determined since singularity. Seriously think about it.

    The Universe created matter, space and time. As I am typing "right now", I am using matter, space and time. So it would be logical to believe that my actions right now, were the same actions that were predisposed in singularity. So as the universe expanded, all information and energy expanded with it. :D
     
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    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    How did you know about this!?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    As you know, Kingspeed and Sly are my real life friends. I was the one that video taped the event!
     
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    Get help, seriously. You may end up having Leonardo Decaprio play you in a movie if you aren't careful.

    You coming up with these thoughts is like a kid peeling the stickers off his Rubik's Cube and running to his mom boasting of solving it.
     
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    Well, I've got Kingspeed's Christmas present picked out.
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    Yes, you and I definitely agree on this matter. It's really not that hard to understand really.
     
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    I don't know enough to say I agree or don't, but here is a wrinkle. There are models where there are an infinite number of universes accounting for every possible change. Just the conceps of infinite alone is mind boggling. But if this infinite multiverse model is correct, then this universe can only exist if everything that has or will occur happens exactly as it has or will. Otherwise, this would by definition be a different universe.
     
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    Woah!!!!! As if my mind Hasnt spun far enough!
     
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    This seems like a fancy defination for predetermined destiny. Ive thought on this line before though, with a thoery of expanding and collapsing universes which are reborn into an new universe or to replay events already happened.
     
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    I wasn't thinking of it like that. I think this can be fully compatible with the current "mainstream" Big Bang concept. Matter, Space and time are absolutes, but matter 1 billion years from now is still the same matter 1 billion years in the past.

    I think there is a link somewhere that space travel is absolutely possible if you have the ability to harness fission like black holes or dark matter. Time is of no relevance in this regard.
     
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    Matter is absolute, I'm not sure if you are correct about space and time. We know space is expanding, and time is relative, so neither seem absolute to me. Spacetime in theory can be manipulated and even destroyed but matter can't.
     
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    Ahhh good point. I stand corrected regarding space and time being relative
     
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    Yes my man, perhaps you have it. All things began with a single event, natural spontaneous or from the snap of the creators fingers, is not the question.
    The question is, will it flow from forever? Or eventual return, forever repeating the singularity. Like the creator playing with a yo yo. But then it could like a precision tuned antenna oscillating naturally, sustain only by freely acquired energy.
     

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