There's Still a Lot of 8-Hate

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Two days after the most incredible individual performance in the history of the NBA, and here came the flagrant fouls.

    Pat Riley shrugged at reporters.

    "It's remarkable, the execution and the efficiency, but we've got a lot of guys in this league, if they took 70 shots, they'd score a lot of points," he said.

    Vince Carter preached to reporters.

    "The only bad thing about it is young kids, whose minds are easily warped, are going to think, 'Ohhh, I am going to go out there and do it' instead of the team concept first," he said.

    Shaquille O'Neal refused comment to reporters. Of course.

    The punishment that Kobe Bryant avoided in flitting around the Toronto Raptors for 81 points Sunday caught up to him quickly afterward, cheap elbows and late shoves and all sort of jersey grabbing.

    He has since been mocked by writers, questioned by opposing players, ignored by all legends but Magic Johnson, and, in his first public appearance Tuesday, visited by only a handful of local reporters and TV types.

    "This goes along with who we are as a society," Coach Phil Jackson said. "Somebody does something exceptional, people are looking for ways to denigrate them."

    Given Bryant's past, people haven't had to look hard.

    Folks have been talking about Colorado so much, you would have thought he scored 81 against the Nuggets.

    There has been so much yammering about selfishness, you would have thought the Lakers lost.

    Everyone has been so focused on the description, "ball hog," you would have never known that one of his most important plays was a pass to Lamar Odom.

    The statement made by Bryant on the Staples Center court Sunday night was far less compelling than the message delivered later in the national town hall.

    Lots of people don't like him. Lots of people will never like him.

    If Tim Duncan had scored 81 points, the sports world would declare a national holiday. If Allen Iverson had scored 81 points, he would have rushed to "Oprah" to weepingly discuss his personal growth.

    Bryant is allowed no such vacation from his past, and will be offered no such public redemption of his sins.

    "In this society, we never give people a chance to come back to grace," Jackson said.

    One columnist began his Bryant piece by writing about a selfish Bryant act from an All-Star game ? eight years ago.

    Another columnist wrote about how Bryant was so impressive, this time, Vanessa bought him a ring.

    In an era where "maturity" has become as much of a sports clich? as "one game at a time," Bryant is the one athlete deemed incapable of growing up.

    During a time when even a guy who admitted to hindering a murder investigation can return to popularity ? see Ray Lewis ? Bryant is the one athlete whose personal problems have no expiration date.

    Those who love him, they have always loved him. Those who don't, they never will. Nike can make him the focus of an infomercial at halftime of the Super Bowl, and the second group will still remain sizably larger than the first.

    "Off the court, I just try to be myself," Bryant said Tuesday. "I've been through a lot, and I just try to be me. Hopefully as the years go on, people will understand what I'm about."

    As pandering goes, that quote qualifies as an airball, and that's the problem.

    What makes Bryant so great on the court makes him so unapproachable off the court.

    It's about imposing his will. The way he treats a rookie guard is the way he treats a wary public.

    He will stare, he will sneer, he will do it his way and, eventually, everyone will have no choice but to appreciate him.

    Those same NBA fans who rip Duncan and the Detroit Pistons for being boring will one day embrace this greatest of entertainers, he knows it.

    Those writers who call him selfish will see how he can lift his ordinary Laker team to the playoffs, he's certain.

    And all those players who dislike him, well, he is confident they will realize one day that at least he's not a phony like O'Neal.

    Speaking of which, does anybody else think that, in two seasons in Miami, O'Neal has become exactly what he despised in Bryant?

    In his comments about his former teammate and former owner, he has been selfish and immature and so petty, he's become The Big Small.

    As for that admitted dog Vince Carter, well, hearing him talk about role modeling is like listening to Ben Roethlisberger talk about grooming.

    Then there was the quote from the Miami Heat's Antoine Walker, who told reporters, "If somebody gets 81 on me, I'm going to clothesline him."

    That, of course, will never happen, because in order to clothesline somebody, Walker must first guard somebody.

    Bryant's 81 points do not change his personality or his past. He can still be prickly to onlookers, cocky to opponents, and downright scary to teammates.

    He is a complex guy who can be as selfish as he is brilliant, a hardened 27-year-old whose persona is as beyond understanding as his game.

    But shame on those who would use any of that to diminish Sunday night. Can we, for once, just enjoy art for art's sake without analyzing the painter? Can we dance to the splendid music without condemning the strange composer?

    It was a night when Bryant was greater than Michael, greater than Elgin and, yes, greater than Wilt. No matter how you add it, 81 was more impressive than 100.

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    TRUTH! Finally some positives coming from the local media.
     
  2. illmatic

    illmatic JBB JustBBall Member

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    Yup, read this article actually about an hour ago, was gonna post it but I was a little lazy.

    Really good read, I recommend people read it.
     
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    I dont even like Kobe very much, but he gets my respect for such a performance.

    But Im wondering, what the hell do his teammates say to this? Like, once they realized he had so many points at a certain pint in the game, were they like "ok, lets get Kobe the ball so he can break some records" or was Kobe just taking teh ball coast to coast and scoring, was it all smiles and congratlations in the locker room for his performance or what?

    I want to see this game on tape, I believe it was on TNT, no cable....
    It'll be on sale one bay soon, if not already....
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting airmcnair06:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont even like Kobe very much, but he gets my respect for such a performance.

    But Im wondering, what the hell do his teammates say to this? Like, once they realized he had so many points at a certain pint in the game, were they like "ok, lets get Kobe the ball so he can break some records" or was Kobe just taking teh ball coast to coast and scoring, was it all smiles and congratlations in the locker room for his performance or what?

    I want to see this game on tape, I believe it was on TNT, no cable....
    It'll be on sale one bay soon, if not already....</div>

    About mid-way through the third is when Kobe really went crazy. As soon as he got the ball, he made his move without looking to pass, and the Raptors were at his mercy. His teammates seemed to be very willing to give him the ball when ever he called for it.
     
  5. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    LMAO the part about Walker defending someone is so true.

    It's nice to see local media finally defending the guy.
     
  6. Laker_fan

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    You gotta love it. What Riley said sucked. His comments were the worst. He may still be angry that he lost in our last meeting.
     
  7. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    There may have been some truth in any of those comments, but the timing, and tone with which they said it was really unfair to Kobe. Some of those players were talking like they could achieve what he did if they tried, when, in reality, none of them was as good as Kobe is right now, even in their prime.
     
  8. Shapecity

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    What continues to be overlooked is the defensive game Kobe played as well. Not only did he drop 81 points, he shut Toronto's best perimeter player down.

    I don't think half these players realize how much energy it takes to take 46 shots in a game. Kobe Bryant had to work for most of the points, and only a few came off transition baskets or wide open looks.

    Then when you consider him playing equally as well on defense, you realize how well conditioned he really is.
     
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    http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
    If you ask me I think pippen is the biggest hater/ suck up of themm all. I think I just lost some respect for pippen after his comments. He makes no sense at all. Just b the fact that kobe scored 81, he says he has taken a step back in leadership! Did he se the game? Does he realize the lakers were flat and were losing by more then 18 at one point in the game?

    I love jordan, but plz do not simply dis what Kobe has done just because he did something jordan never did.

    And as for Riley's idiotic comments. All I have is this to say if so many other guys could do it if they took the same amount of shots and there team would end u scoring 122 points every time they do it. Don't you think they would do it in a heartbeat? Because as I see it there are a few teams that struggle to hit 80 and there are many more who struggle to hit 95. So if there was a way to hit 115 to 120 a game I think most owners,fans, etc. would want their teams to do anything neccessary.
     
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    dtpxcore JBB The Regulator

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    I want to know what Jordan thinks of Kobes 81. Hopefully he can put up a nasty encore against GSW. Stop hatin on Kobe, the dude has crazy work ethic and it pays off so back off.
     
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    wow pat riley.. 70 shots?? wtf is he talking about. hes talkin out of his ass. Another Hater.
     
  12. Chutney

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">What continues to be overlooked is the defensive game Kobe played as well. Not only did he drop 81 points, he shut Toronto's best perimeter player down.</div>
    Kobe played good defense, but the Raptor's offense basically took themselves out of the game. James had 9 assists in the first half and one in the second. There was a lot less movement and more predictable playcalling, which lead to contested jumpers for most of the second half.
     

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