This Is A Big Fucking Deal

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  1. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    It's a huge deal. The idea of health care being a fundamental right has been a dream of a significant segment of this country for a long time. For those of us who cherish our freedom, it's a big fucking deal, too. We lost a lot of it in one fell swoop.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I wonder if, had freedom-lovers made a list say, 3 or 4 years ago, of their most cherished freedoms, in order, what the ranking would have been of those freedoms lost to this new law.

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  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Your control over your own body. Ironically, the very same argument pro-choice women make. "My body, my choice", sound familiar?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    My response (about Biden): big fucking deal.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Exactly how have you lost control over your own body (aside from shitting yourself) due to this bill?

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    Your comparison is amazingly irrational and insensible. :tsktsk:

    How does "only wealthy people get healthcare" translate into "Freedom for All"? :confused:
     
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    repped. :biglaugh:
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Oh, dear barfo. So naive. You try to deflect the point, but it's not working. The pieces are all in place. You're either deluding yourself or you're playing checkers while others are playing chess.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Name a poor person who doesn't receive health care? It's a myth. Hell, even the example President Obama used in Ohio about the woman who chose not to pay for her insurance and now fears losing her house was ridiculous. The woman is getting treated at the Cleveland Clinic. The hospital has explicity stated they're not going after her assets. I wish I could get treated at that hospital; it's one of the best in the country.
     
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    BTW, enjoy that 3.9% tax put on capital gains from housing sales. I'm sure that will help you earn commissions.:biglaugh:
     
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    The cleveland clinic (and mayo clinic, I think) follow the blueprint for health care I proposed. The doctors and staff get paid salaries and not per procedure. My suggestion was for a govt. option that paid the doctors and staff salaries, and wouldn't require $.01 in new taxes.
     
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    It would literally take me all day. I know several hundred at least. And that's just people I know on a personal basis.

    Roughly a third of the population here in Beautiful Central Oregon do not have healthcare of any kind. They are not poor people by most worldwide standards. They just can't afford US-priced healthcare, or a Lamborghini for that matter.

    Do you even live in this country? Seems unlikely anyone could live here and be so insulated from the bulk of society as you claim to be.
     
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    You're lying. Hospitals are not allowed to turn away the sick. Nice try, though.
     
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    It certainly won't have any negative effect on residential Real Estate sales at all, and I'd be amazed if you could factually support why you think it would.
     
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    Are you serious? Wow. Let me see if I can help you. There's a simple concept in economics that directly applies to real estate: the more you tax an activity, the less of that activty occurs. Now, I understand that you're a real estate amateur, but we professionals in real estate understand the impact and import of new taxes put on transactions.
     
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    Fuck you. I never lie and I always tell the truth.

    Hospital do not provide healthcare to uninsured people.

    They are required by law to provide emergency care and nothing more. You cannot go to the hospital and get non-emergency illnesses diagnosed, treated or screened. You cannot get a colonoscopy, mammogram or any other of hundreds of routine tests that insured people get and avoid dying because they did get them. You cannot get treatment for potentially fatal diseases like Hep C or cancers or lupus or thousands of other illnesses. You cannot get cataracts treated to prevent blindness. You cannot get dental care. I could go on forever with what facets of healthcare you cannot get at hospitals without insurance or cash.

    What you get is diagnosed, stabilized, and dismissed, or DSD'd as the EMT's call it.
     
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    Gimme a break. What freedoms did you lose?

    Talk about hyperbole!
     
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    Lol, the crazy old man is coming out again
     
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    You've made it clear in previous posts that you don't quite get how residential real estate is driven so I won't belabor the point, and you are correct that capital gains taxes do have a slight deterrent effect on mega-wealthy commercial real estate investors, but there is simply no correllation between residential home sales and and capital gains taxes. It is not even a passing thought as it doesn't apply to anything other than mega-million estates sold for a huge profit. We can be fairly certain that scenario is at least a decade away.

    That's how it works in Oregon anyway. Some other states may have their own more strict capital gains taxes, but that's their (state) problem.
     

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