Tomlinson Not Surprised Patriots Might Have Cheated <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Boston Herald - Chargers' running back LaDainian Tomlinson is among those not surprised by allegations the Patriots used a camera to steal signs. “I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, ‘If you’re not cheatin, you’re not trying,’ ” Tomlinson told reporters with a hearty laugh in San Diego yesterday. “I mean, I think that’s the way they live off that statement. You keep hearing the different stories of people complaining about stuff that they do. So I’m not surprised.” Tomlinson mentioned the Dolphins and Jets and how “they got a hold of a playbook or something.</div> http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiretap_...t_have_cheated/</p> I'm not going to defend the Chargers embarrassing playoff meltdown last season, but this would sure as hell explain a whole lot as to why the Chargers absolutely melted down in the second half of that game.</p> Either way, people are going to take this quote and run with it because of their NFL Sunday Night Primetime matchup in New England. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: This "cheating event" doesn't explain anything imo. There isn't enough information to know how much this would have helped. This is even greater speculation than all that Steroid crap in Baseball.
Re: Tomlinson: I don't think it's a reach or speculation. If you know the game of football, you know the play calls and you can go back and watch the play on tape...you know what to expect. Plain and simple.
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's a reach or speculation. If you know the game of football, you know the play calls and you can go back and watch the play on tape...you know what to expect. Plain and simple.</div></p> How many games did the Video camera guy attend? No one knows anything. Aside from Green Bay and New York.</p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>This "cheating event" doesn't explain anything imo. There isn't enough information to know how much this would have helped. This is even greater speculation than all that Steroid crap in Baseball.</div> Its true we dont yet know to what extent this occured, but theres no question in my mind how much it would help a team that was doing it well....it would offer one of the greatest advantages I could imagine....I will offer an example: You decifer the signal for a blitz....your QB knows a blitz is coming and from where so he checks off to a screen play....in comes the blitzers, the ball goes over their heads to the RB whos wide open with a great big convoy out in front....you just got burnt for who knows how many yards....it would be a signifigant advantage....</p>
Re: Tomlinson Not Surprised Patriots Might Have Cheated <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'> I'm not going to defend the Chargers embarrassing playoff meltdown last season, but this would sure as hell explain a whole lot as to why the Chargers absolutely melted down in the second half of that game.</p> </div> </p> AsI stated in another thread, it sure explains why Belichick is such a master @ half time adjustments.</p> As for LT, Whiners are almost as bad as cheaters.</p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: Bill Billicheat exposed!</p> There was interesting topic on the Collin Herd Show this morning with Bobby Bowden. Collin asked if <font size="-1">Eric Mangini just put his career in the NFL at risk by whistle blowing on his former mentor and team?</font></p> Bowden responded there is a strong coaching fraternity and said usually if a coach is aware of these type of tactics they'll warn the other coach first. Saying I know what you do, and you better not do it against us otherwise I'm going to tell.</p> If you were Mangini would you have made the same choice? Does this make Mangini a hypocrite since he was part of this while he coached in New England?</p>
Re: Tomlinson: Where is LT whining? He said he wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots cheated, like most of the major media outlets have said.</p> I do agree about the half-time adjustments though.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: I do believe Mangini blew the whistle on this, and he had every right to. People have issues with steroids and cheating...this is just as bad, if not worse, than using steroids to cheat. The Patriots knew their opponents signals and could adjust to that, giving them a major advantage.</p> Manning now has an excuse he can fall back on when New England owned him. I'd be interested in hearing his comments about this.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: There is an enormous theoretical web of decite here....Perhaps this is why Belicheck was so adament that Mangini not take the Jets job but was so supportive of Weis to ND and Crennell to Cleveland....BB knew he had to see Mangini twice a year and either play it straight or risk getting exposed....I cant wait for the league to untangle this a bit so we can find out how deep it goes....
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'> I do believe Mangini blew the whistle on this, and he had every right to. People have issues with steroids and cheating...this is just as bad, if not worse, than using steroids to cheat. The Patriots knew their opponents signals and could adjust to that, giving them a major advantage.</p> Manning now has an excuse he can fall back on when New England owned him. I'd be interested in hearing his comments about this.</p></div> Well I have to admit I'm curious if this had anything to do with post-season outcomes...</p> However, until I get more information, no matter how much I like the Colts, I'm not going to assume they got screwed (yes it is possible, but that's not enough at the moment). No one should until more information is gathered on this subject. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: I think it's too obvious of an impact this had on games. They call Bill the master of halftime adjustments for a reason, it makes sense, now.
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's too obvious of an impact this had on games. They call Bill the master of halftime adjustments for a reason, it makes sense, now.</div> Alright, if the Patriots really fall off the face of the planet in the next few years, I might concur. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's too obvious of an impact this had on games. They call Bill the master of halftime adjustments for a reason, it makes sense, now.</div> Alright, if the Patriots really fall off the face of the planet in the next few years, I might concur. </p></div> No one is saying cheating takes you from worst team to best. Simply saying it takes you from borderline playoff contender to super bowl champs. Falling of the face of the earth is just a way for you to make sure no one can take them down. You can say "see they still made the playoffs" and justify thier loss this time as just not being good enough. Also, you are still standing on the leg they only cheated one way. I would say they probably cheat several ways. I will list of some</p> 1: HGH - still mostly undecteable.</p> 2. Stealing signs with video cameras</p> 3. Stealing playbooks from other teams with targeted free agent acquisitions. I would go as far as to say i dont think it is a coincidence that they targetted someone on the ravens D to help thier team. Probably offered him a little extra for him to copy his playbook.</p> 4. Paying refs. Tuck rule. Enough said.</p> 5. Artificially manipulating playing environment. You know they doctor thier field. </p> These are the top 5 ways they cheat, but i am sure thier are others.From great dynasty to great farce in 1 week.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'> There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p></div> The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Hero)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'> There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p></div> The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p></div> How did they win fair and square? They've been caught cheating, so who's to say they weren't cheating in the SuperBowl or SuperBowls? Again, like I said, we were up at halftime, who's to say Bill Belichik didn't go into the lockeroom to review tape and steal our signals or defensive or offensive schemes? From now on, the Patriots organization has lost all my respect, and I'll never root for them again. I'll gladly say that I am happy that they will lose their 1st round pick in 2008, and hopefully LT and the Chargers put up a big beating on them this Sunday.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Hero)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'> There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p></div> The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p></div> How did they win fair and square? They've been caught cheating, so who's to say they weren't cheating in the SuperBowl or SuperBowls? Again, like I said, we were up at halftime, who's to say Bill Belichik didn't go into the lockeroom to review tape and steal our signals or defensive or offensive schemes? From now on, the Patriots organization has lost all my respect, and I'll never root for them again. I'll gladly say that I am happy that they will lose their 1st round pick in 2008, and hopefully LT and the Chargers put up a big beating on them this Sunday.</p></div> Is there proof that they cheated in the Superbowl??No they cheated in the Jets game and thats the only game so far that theres proof that they cheated.So get over that lost and stop whining. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: One word comes to mind....TAINT!!!! Its all tainted now becuase they can't prove they didnt cheat the entire length of the taintynasty....the burden of proof shifted from the accuser to the accused as soon as they got caught....and if they get beat this weekend, my level of suspision that they cheated in last years playoffs will go through the roof....until I see evidence otherwise, I will presume that they have been cheating for several years....
Re: Tomlinson: [quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='huevonkiller'][quote name='Mamba']I think it's too obvious of an impact this had on games. They call Bill the master of halftime adjustments for a reason, it makes sense, now. [/QUOTE] Alright, if the Patriots really fall off the face of the planet in the next few years, I might concur. </p>[/QUOTE] No one is saying cheating takes you from worst team to best. Simply saying it takes you from borderline playoff contender to super bowl champs. Falling of the face of the earth is just a way for you to make sure no one can take them down. You can say "see they still made the playoffs" and justify thier loss this time as just not being good enough. Also, you are still standing on the leg they only cheated one way. I would say they probably cheat several ways. I will list of some</p> 1: HGH - still mostly undecteable.</p> 2. Stealing signs with video cameras</p> 3. Stealing playbooks from other teams with targeted free agent acquisitions. I would go as far as to say i dont think it is a coincidence that they targetted someone on the ravens D to help thier team. Probably offered him a little extra for him to copy his playbook.</p> 4. Paying refs. Tuck rule. Enough said.</p> 5. Artificially manipulating playing environment. You know they doctor thier field. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Borderline playoff contender? I'd say it makes a Superbowl contender into a Superbowl winner, remember, the Patriots have a bunch of talent so please stop exaggerating. And this is assuming they have cheated.</p> 1. This applies to every team.</p> 2. In what games? You know nothing.</p> 3. What are you talking about? Source?</p> 4. That was just a terrible call. Source? </p> 5. They can do what they want to their field, that's not against the rules.</p> </p> And you quickly came to this conclusion based on the littlest bit of information... </p>
