I really don't know much about Tony Allen or his game.Korver is a great shooter, and nothing else at this point. People say he doesn't play defense, and that is totally wrong. He just isn't athletic enough to keep up with the other SF's in this league, but he gives as much effort out their defensively as anybody, and is the best team defender on the Sixers squad.I might take Allen if I knew more about his game...
I agree, Korver is an underrated defender. He did a half-way decent job on Ricky D earlier this year. He stays in front of his man.It's close to me, bc TA is on the rise. He's finally back from his knee injury, and he's playing great. He is so explosive, on both ends. He's easily the Celtics' best defender, and he can score now too. He gets out on the break and allows himself to excell where he knows he can. He takes advantage of his abilities. He's deceivingly smart, despite his poor court vision and decision making. He is much improved in those areas tho. He is even hitting the outside shot now. He has the potential to be a top 5-10 perimeter defender in this league, despite his size. He is very aggressive, and that and his quickness more than make up for him being on'y 6'4". He is a decent rebounder too. He brings so much energy to the court. His effort is contagious. He doesn't go a game without raising someone's eyebrows.Still undecided, but i'll take the homer route and take Allen.
I love how Tony Allen plays, but I think I'd take Korver. He isn't in trouble with the law, and he makes a great role player. I woudn't want either starting for me.
Maybe I'm just being your average Celtic fan, but Tony Allen is a much better player than Kyle Korver. Why? Because he is an exceptional defender. Kyle Korver is an excellent shooter, sure, but he couldn't guard a chair. TA is a ballhawk and he can also drop back and play PG a little. He is a good penetrator and is obviously more athletic. Kyle Korver is one of those lucky guys that has an incredible stroke and range, but he is not as good as Tony Allen. Tony Allen is a better defender by far, a better passer, a better rebounder due to his athleticism, he's far more athletic, he's much faster, a much better ballhandler, and he can play the point a little. Honestly, TA is better than Korver at pretty much every aspect of the game except shooting.
Wow this is a tough one. Well I am pretty impressed with Korver's D for being a non-athletic white dude. We all know he is an insane shooter too. Tony Allen also brings some sick D to the game. He can man up and play the passing lanes very well(which is something Korver lacks). I will say this though, Tony Allen is not just a dunker. He has a pretty reliable jump shot and even has 3pt range. He can play 3 positions. Korver just 2. Hmmm...I'm gonna go with Korver here. But let this be know I would not trade TA for Korver because I think Allen fits better on the C's. But team aspects aside Korvers unconscious 3pt shooting is just to much to overlook. Ouch, gosh no, it's a tie.
Wow, I think it's unbelievable for everyone to think Kyle Korver (who might not be in the NBA if he couldn't shoot the 3-ball) is a better all around player than Tony Allen. Is an extra 2-3 three's a game really more important than athleticism, DEFENSE, and a better all around game? I don't think so. That's like comparing Fred Hoiberg to Speedy Claxton, and picking Hoiberg because he is a better shooter.
It's mainly because Korver is the better scorer than Allen. I dont think people really take athleticism into consideration. That would be like saying KG is better than Duncan just because of his athleticism. Sure, Allen may be better at defense but not that much else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 4 2006, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's mainly because Korver is the better scorer than Allen. I dont think people really take athleticism into consideration. That would be like saying KG is better than Duncan just because of his athleticism. Sure, Allen may be better at defense but not that much else.</div> Ballhandling, speed, quickness, court vision, and probably rebounding.
Both of them arent good passers or rebounders.Okay, he is quicker and the better defender. That really isnt much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 4 2006, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Both of them arent good passers or rebounders. Okay, he is quicker and the better defender. That really isnt much.</div> You must not watch many Celtic games then. For his size Tony Allen is a pretty damn good rebounder, he gets his nose dirty even against the big men. And his passing may not be great (but decent), ok, but that's not really the point. He's a better passer than Kyle Korver, that's the point.
I've never really seen Tony Allen before and Kyle Korver is a sharpshooter from outside. I got to go with Korver.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 4 2006, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You must not watch many Celtic games then. For his size Tony Allen is a pretty damn good rebounder, he gets his nose dirty even against the big men. And his passing may not be great (but decent), ok, but that's not really the point. He's a better passer than Kyle Korver, that's the point.</div>I agree. For his size his rebounding ability is pretty impressive. Tony Allen is no doubt the better all-around player. He passing skills are pretty solid. He ran the point for a few games at the end of the season. He didn't do great but he showed some combo guard potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 4 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Both of them arent good passers or rebounders.Okay, he is quicker and the better defender. That really isnt much.</div>Tony Allen is actually a very good rebounder for his size. He is capable of 5-6 rpg. he is a WAY better defender, and that is alot. Defense wins in this league. He can be a lock down defender if he focuses. He actually plays the stars very well already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 4 2006, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You must not watch many Celtic games then. For his size Tony Allen is a pretty damn good rebounder, he gets his nose dirty even against the big men. And his passing may not be great (but decent), ok, but that's not really the point. He's a better passer than Kyle Korver, that's the point.</div>No Im a Raptors fan. He gets 2 rpg in 20 mpg. That really isnt very good. Sorry.
the stats don't really show much. He was only actually healthy for about 20 games. Although i admit, he has taken a step down from his rookie year in that department.
I would go with Korver. Even though I was a big fan of Tony when he was at OK ST. Korver is a way better scorer in my opinion(because of his shot obviously). He has the capability of scoring 25 points any night because he can be lights out. Tony is a better defender and Korver is better on offense. I think its close.
The only thing that Tony Allen really has over Korver on the defensive side of the floor is his athleticism. Korver gives a hell of a lot of effort on defense, but he just isn't athletic enough to stay with most perimeter players in the league. He is also an excellent team defender and draws a lot of charges.
