Too 5 NBA Players All Time= Wilt, Shaq, Jordan, Magic, and Duncan

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  1. KingSpeed

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    Kobe over Shaq?
     
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    Kareem?
     
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    Yes. Shaq was fully unstoppable. There was no team or player who cold stop Shaq in his prime. Kobe takes crappy shots and does things like refusing to shoot in the second half of a game 7 vs Phoenix. Goes 7-22 vs Celtics Game 6 in 2008. 6 of 24 in Game 7 2010. Kobe was and is stoppable. Shaq no. Kareem is a fine player but he's not better than those five. Maybe 6th place. I don't include Bill Russell because Russell was basically the best role player of all time. You couldn't run your offense through him and count on him for 20 points in a game 7.
     
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    Hakeem has to be in the Top 5, he's the greatest center to have ever played the game...the footwork, the post moves, the defense..no other big could do it all like him. And what separates him from the other great bigs from other eras is that I believe, Hakeem would dominate in today's NBA just as he did in the 80's/90's.

    Dream, MJ, Magic are definitely 3 of the 5, the other 2 are up for debate.
     
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    Precisely how is Duncan better than Kareem?
     
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    LeBron...?
     
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    Did a Laker fan start this thread?
     
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    Shaq was finals mvp for three rings...by a wide margin. Gasol should have been finals mvp for the last lakers ring...kobe was only "the man" once.

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    Did you ever see Wilt play?

    No, you didn't.

    Learn the game, then post.
     
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    No Russel?
     
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    Shaq doesn't even make the top 20. Probably the most limited skillset of any starting center in his era.

    Had he been a big clumsy white tub of goo rather than a big clumsy black tub of goo he'd probably never have lasted in the league, due to foul trouble.
     
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    The clumsy oaf managed to score 24 points a game for his career and grab over 11 rebounds per game for his career as well. As if he didn't have actual basketball skills, he blocked 2.3 shots a game for his career, and dished 2.6 assists per game for his career. He was a perennial all-star and made the all nba teams 15 times. He had a 30+ PER three times, and won 4 championships.

    His skill set may have been very close to Wilt's, right down to the poor FT shooting. I saw them both play.
     
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    I've seen two games on video. My Dad was a sportswriter for the NY Times when Wilt was in his prime. He says that Wilt is the most unstoppable player he's ever seen.

    Have YOU ever seen Wilt play..
     
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    Russell was a role player.
     
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    I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Certainly during his Laker days I wrote him off as an unskilled oaf. But in reality he did develop a nice baby hook and was a pretty decent passer. However, he was also officiated differently than other players, and that's what allowed him to dominate the league. I would venture a guess that he got away with an offensive foul on 50% of his shots - that's a total shot in the dark, maybe it's much more, maybe it's much less...but it feels like a slightly conservative guess. If he hadn't been allowed to push his defenders out of the way he'd still certainly be an imposing player, but he probably wouldn't have dominated the league.
     
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    Funny thing is I think he was hammered on by defenders because he was so strong and hard to defend. Because of his size and strength, the defenders hit him really hard, too, even though it really hurt him.

    Moses Malone was a similar kind of player - big, strong. The officials let him get away with 3 second violations virtually all of the time. He consistently led the league in offensive boards.
     
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    I'm not the one claiming he's a top 5 player ever.
     
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    I think it depends if somebody's "top" players is based on fundamentals and skill, or how much they dominated a game and their production.

    In terms of how much a player dominated a game, a prime Shaq, is only second to MJ in my lifetime.
     
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