Who are the top twenty from this amazing draft class? I'm going by career for this.1. Lebron James2. Dwyane Wade3. Carmelo Anthony4. Chris Bosh5. Kirk Hinrich6. Josh Howard7. Boris Diaw8. David West9. Chris Kaman10. Udonis Haslem (He wasn't drafted, but he still came from this class)11. TJ Ford12. Luke Ridnour13. Maurice Williams14. Leandro Barbosa15. Marquis Daniels 16. Zaza Pachulia17. Luke Walton18. Darko Milicic19. Kyle Korver20. Mikeal PietriusJust Missed Cut: Jarvis Hayes, Micheal Sweetney, Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Marcus Banks, Willie Green, Steve Blake
I think Haslem seems a little high. If he was drafted I don't think he would be that high. I would like to see Zaza up a few spots, overall not a bad ranking, sick class right here. Pietrus>Korver
Pretty good..Only things I can think of are:TJ Ford should be ahead of Haslem. He's shown that he is a top tier pg this year.And maybe Korver should be ahead of Darko. Darko has done nothing except for the 2nd half of last season...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pretty good..Only things I can think of are:TJ Ford should be ahead of Haslem. He's shown that he is a top tier pg this year.And maybe Korver should be ahead of Darko. Darko has done nothing except for the 2nd half of last season...</div>TJ Ford should not be ranked ahead of Haslem in my opinion. Haslem has been starting, and consistent his entire career He has been a good rebounder, and dirty work player his entire career. TJ Ford has had injury concerns his entire career up. I would agree with Korver over Darko, considering Darko hasn't even gotten much playing time until 20 games left last season, and the beginning of this year.
You really could add 2 more players to this because TJ Ford, Luke Ridnour and Mo Williams should be a three way tie.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pretty good..Only things I can think of are:TJ Ford should be ahead of Haslem. He's shown that he is a top tier pg this year.And maybe Korver should be ahead of Darko. Darko has done nothing except for the 2nd half of last season...</div>Top Tier? Give me a break. Top tier is probably top five, and I don't even think he's top ten.Ten Point Guards better than TJ Ford:Chauncey BillupsSteve NashChris PaulGilbert ArenasJason KiddTony ParkerKirk HinrichDeron WilliamsBaron DavisMike Bibby
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 9 2006, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top Tier? Give me a break. Top tier is probably top five, and I don't even think he's top ten.Ten Point Guards better than TJ Ford:Chauncey BillupsSteve NashChris PaulGilbert ArenasJason KiddTony ParkerKirk HinrichDeron WilliamsBaron DavisMike Bibby</div> Wow, good post. Your right though. I don't think TJ Ford is better than anyone on that list. But Mr. Biased will find some way to put him in there, don't worry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 9 2006, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>TJ Ford should not be ranked ahead of Haslem in my opinion. Haslem has been starting, and consistent his entire career He has been a good rebounder, and dirty work player his entire career. TJ Ford has had injury concerns his entire career up. I would agree with Korver over Darko, considering Darko hasn't even gotten much playing time until 20 games left last season, and the beginning of this year.</div>I honestly don't care. Yeah, Haslem is a good rebounder, and hustle guy, but you obviously have no idea how good TJ has been this year. His court vision is off the charts, he has some of the best quickness in the league. Let me show you his stat line. He's averaging 14 points, and 8 assists. No way in hell is Haslem better than TJ Ford. I dont care what you say.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 9 2006, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top Tier? Give me a break. Top tier is probably top five, and I don't even think he's top ten.Ten Point Guards better than TJ Ford:Chauncey BillupsSteve NashChris PaulGilbert ArenasJason KiddTony ParkerKirk HinrichDeron WilliamsBaron DavisMike Bibby</div>Yeah..TJ Ford is in his 3rd freaking season.. I meant that TJ Ford is a top pg. I dont care how many pg's are better than him. How many 3rd year points are better than the guy? Please tell me. He is going to be one hell of a player, and he is sure as hell better than Udonis Haslem.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 9 2006, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, good post. Your right though. I don't think TJ Ford is better than anyone on that list. But Mr. Biased will find some way to put him in there, don't worry.</div>Yeah, Im biased because I think TJ Ford is better than Udonis Haslem
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah..TJ Ford is in his 3rd freaking season.. I meant that TJ Ford is a top pg. I dont care how many pg's are better than him. How many 3rd year points are better than the guy? Please tell me. He is going to be one hell of a player, and he is sure as hell better than Udonis Haslem.Yeah, Im biased because I think TJ Ford is better than Udonis Haslem </div> You said TJ Ford was a top tier PG. He's clearly not considering he's not in the top 10. He's developing into a top tier PG, that makes more sense...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 9 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You said TJ Ford was a top tier PG. He's clearly not considering he's not in the top 10. He's developing into a top tier PG, that makes more sense...</div>When did I say that he was a top 10 pg? A top tier pg does not have a specific meaning. I just meant that he is turning into a great pg right now. And his numbers will only get better. He will be averaging 10+ apg in his prime. That's how good his court vision is..And I would much rather have TJ Ford than just a big brute in Udonis Haslem (who couldnt block a shot if his life depended on it..)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When did I say that he was a top 10 pg? A top tier pg does not have a specific meaning. I just meant that he is turning into a great pg right now. And his numbers will only get better. He will be averaging 10+ apg in his prime. That's how good his court vision is..And I would much rather have TJ Ford than just a big brute in Udonis Haslem (who couldnt block a shot if his life depended on it..)</div> You said he was a top tier PG. He's not. He's a good young PG but to me you should be in the top 10 if your top tier at your position. I agree on Haslem, I would much rather have Ford.
Oh for god askes who cares. Top tier pg..who the hell cares? I just meant that he was blossoming into a great pg, and he is..
I'd have Josh Howard above Hinrich, and it could be debated above Bosh...But basically I think LBJ, Wade, Melo, Josh Howard, and Bosh are the top 5 from that draft class.And once again...just how GOOD was that draft class...it's pretty much amazing looking back on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't care. Yeah, Haslem is a good rebounder, and hustle guy, but you obviously have no idea how good TJ has been this year. His court vision is off the charts, he has some of the best quickness in the league. Let me show you his stat line. He's averaging 14 points, and 8 assists. No way in hell is Haslem better than TJ Ford. I dont care what you say.</div>First off, this thread is about who has been better up to this point in their career. Up to this point in their careers, Haslem has been more consistent and better than Ford has been. He hasn't been hurt, and you know what you are going to get from him pretty much every night Haslem is in the game. For this season though, I would still take Haslem over Ford. Since you like stats, Haslem is putting up 13 points this season, and 9 rebounds this season, which is not much different than 14 points and 8 assists. The big difference I find between Ford and Haslem, is that Haslem is a much better defensive player for his position, than Ford is for his position. Haslem is the type of dirty work player that I like, and Ford will never be that kind of player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Dec 9 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd have Josh Howard above Hinrich, and it could be debated above Bosh...But basically I think LBJ, Wade, Melo, Josh Howard, and Bosh are the top 5 from that draft class.And once again...just how GOOD was that draft class...it's pretty much amazing looking back on it.</div>That's not biased at all. Josh Howard over Bosh...
1. Lebron James2. Dwyane Wade3. Carmelo Anthony4. Chris Bosh5. Josh Howard6. Kirk Hinrich7. Boris Diaw8. TJ Ford9. David West10. Udonis Haslem11. Maurice Williams12. Luke Ridnour13. Chris Kaman14. Leandro Barbosa15. Zaza Pchulia16. Mickael Pietrus17. Kyle Korver18. Marquis Daniels19. Luke Walton20. Darko MilicicThat's how I'd have it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LightsOut @ Dec 9 2006, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Lebron James2. Dwyane Wade3. Carmelo Anthony4. Chris Bosh5. Josh Howard6. Kirk Hinrich7. Boris Diaw8. TJ Ford9. David West10. Udonis Haslem11. Maurice Williams12. Luke Ridnour13. Chris Kaman14. Leandro Barbosa15. Zaza Pchulia16. Mickael Pietrus17. Kyle Korver18. Marquis Daniels19. Luke Walton20. Darko MilicicThat's how I'd have it.</div>We're going by careers. You would still have David West over Udonis Haslem?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 9 2006, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're going by careers. You would still have David West over Udonis Haslem?</div>Eh, it really could go either way. I think Haslem's been overrated just a tad playing next to shaq almost his whole career though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 9 2006, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're going by careers. You would still have David West over Udonis Haslem?</div>He had an amzing season last year but I never knew he was in that years class.
