<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">*The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to make a run at New Orleans Hornets forward Jamal Mashburn, who is available and remains a favorite of coach Paul Silas. The main negative is that Mashburn has averaged fewer than 50 games a season, is one of the most injury-prone players in the league and has a contract that pays him $9.3 million next season. The Cavaliers might offer guard Dajuan Wagner and center DeSagana Diop in a deal.</div> Source: http://www.suntimes.com/output/banks/cst-spt-banx02.html I don't like the addition of Mashburn on this team. He's hit with injuries every season, and has gone on the record as wanting to retire soon. The Cavs should not give up on Diop, he's showed signs of improvement and gives them insurance incase Big 'Z's feet start acting up again. Wagner has been a marked man since Silas took over the Cavs. He doesn't like the way Wagner plays, and is not part of Silas's plans for the Cavs future. I can see where Silas is coming from in wanting to bring Mashburn over. Having a respected veteran who is familiar with what Silas's demands are and being another voice in the locker room for his philosophies. The bottomline, the risk outweighs the rewards in bringing Mashburn in, even though the Cavs could certainly use his scoring.
I think this could go either way on being good or bad. It could be good if he were to finally stay healthy. Because, if he does that, he gives them an extremely good second option outside of LeBron. It also gives them a consistent perimeter shooter in that. But, the negative weighing this down is the fact that he can't stay healthy. He may be a fantastic player in his own regard, but, when you can't stay healthy, you're almost not worth the risk of trading for. So, in the end, I think this trade would be very risky. If they take the risk, they get a good player out of it. But, the only question than is, how long will he be able to go before getting injured? That is really the only question in this.
hes a risk. could turn out good or bad. however, i think cavs can get better talent back from trading wagner.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i think cavs can get better talent back from trading wagner.</div> I think you meant to say "less risky" talent. In terms of overall talent, a HEALTHY Mash is in the upper echelon of the league.
I have mixed feelings about this situation also. Mashburn is a great offensive player that would help the Cavs and fill in a huge hole in our lineup. Wagner doesn't get the minutes he deserves anyways and I actually think that being in NO would help him out alot. He would be mentored by another undersized SG in David Wesley, who would teach him the ropes in playing that role. The only thing I don't like is giving up Diop. He has potential to be a great defensive player, but he is a big liabilty in offense out there. He has no signs in showing that he can score in the paint, and that is very important for being a great center in the league. All in all, If I was Silias I would definatly get Mashburn to play here. Im pretty sure that Silas knows about his injury problems and would solve it by having him milk the bench during stretches of the game.
Wagner/Diop for Mashburn doesn't work money wise anyway. We would have to add in Battie to make it work.
Acquiring Mashburn would be a terrible move for the Cavs. Mashburn is on a steep climb downhill in his career. He's injury prone and needs to have the ball a lot to be effective. He's not what the Cavs need. They would be much better off spending the money it would take to fit Mashburn under the cap somewhere else. Like CBBI wrote, this trade doesn't come close to working under the cap anyway. I think the supposed interest in Mashburn by the Cavs is coming more from the media than the Cavs themselves.
I don't like this trade for the Cavs at all. Mashburn has yet to show that he can play on a consistent basis and the Cav's might have a "Terrell Brandon" type situation on their hands. They also have EWill playing the SF and I think he needs to be in the starting lineup. If Childress falls on their lap this year they would have a good backup for EWill. IMO they would be giving up too soon on Wags and Diop. Dajuan hasn't had a full year to showcase his skills (or lack of) and he is still young. Diop can be a defensive monster if he gets it together but that is a big time IF. Big mistake for the Cavs if this trade goes through.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Buckeye Jer:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would NO want another tiny guard?</div> Exactly. I think they'd at least ask for a small forward. George Lynch and Stacey Augmon are not starter material.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't like this trade for the Cavs at all. Mashburn has yet to show that he can play on a consistent basis and the Cav's might have a "Terrell Brandon" type situation on their hands. They also have EWill playing the SF and I think he needs to be in the starting lineup. If Childress falls on their lap this year they would have a good backup for EWill. IMO they would be giving up too soon on Wags and Diop. Dajuan hasn't had a full year to showcase his skills (or lack of) and he is still young. Diop can be a defensive monster if he gets it together but that is a big time IF. Big mistake for the Cavs if this trade goes through.</div> E. Williams is a free agent, I don't think he will be back.
^I would hope that the Cavs make a good effort to re-sign him. He is a valuable piece to keep around if they want to make the playoffs next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">E. Williams is a free agent, I don't think he will be back.</div> I tend to disagree on that. Eric won't get the same kind of money in his previous contract, but he knows he's in a good situation, with LeBron at the helm and the team on the rise. He's the perfect team player: role-player /blue collar guy who'll play defense and keep team chemistry, while not demanding the ball on offense. That's worth something and hopefully the Cavs will do thier best to make re-signing him a priority. Assuming Eric wants to stay and will do so for a reasonable price, the Cavs would be wise to keep him, IMO
EWill might be a good presents in the locker room, EWill might be a good role model for LeBron, EWill might want to stay. But the bottom line is that he didn't get the job done when we needed him to. I am almost certain that his performance during the 2nd half of the season played him out of a contract next year.
I like Mashburn to join the cavs, clearly he can help their outside shoting. He is a great leader adn a vertan which will help LeBron to get better and more mature. He will increase LeBron's assits too, becasue he will finish his shot. I personly thinks that the hornets rush a little bit, clearly he is not ready. Plus he is under a bigger presure because his team are doing great without him. PG Mcinnis SG King James SF Mashburn PF Boozer C Z this looks like a very very good team. Even better than the pacers and the pistons.
Why Diop? He has shown awesome defensive possibilities. Even though he has so much potential as they say, I'd rather rid ourselves of Brown, throw in Kapono just to try and reach the value along with Wagner. I don't know if Wagner would really benefit them, yes they need offense that Mashburn can no longer offer, but he'd never match it, that's a very difficult task that Wagner is not capable of, not to mention how he'd probably never pass.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But the bottom line is that he didn't get the job done when we needed him to. I am almost certain that his performance during the 2nd half of the season played him out of a contract next year.</div> Does that mean that everyone but LeBron won't be resigned, because from what I saw, EWill wasn't the only Cav who dropped the ball the second half of the season. Your going to have to be more specific with your reasoning of why EWill is to blame, because the Cavs folded like Cheap Lawn seats in the second half. There's no way that can solely be left on one mans shoulders.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr_Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">I am almost certain that his performance during the 2nd half of the season played him out of a contract next year.</div> I think a number of things happened in the second half that were not all of EWills fault. You really can't say he played himself out of a contract because it just means you are putting a huge amount of blame on his shoulders. He may not get it done offensively but he's not that type of player. He does the little <font size="1">(hustle and good team play)</font> and big things <font size="1">(Defence!!)</font> that help win games. Jeff McInnis was also a big reason why Cleveland's ship wasn't running properly. Had he not get injured the Cavs would have made it to the playoffs.
Ok, did you guys watch all the games like I did? Probably not. EWill was in a terrible shooting slump, he was out of his game the whole 2nd half of the season. Hmmm... remember the Nailon signing? Silas brought him in to get some offense in the wing postition because EWill wasn't getting it done. After that EWill lost his starting role to Ira Newble for a good majority of the year. Then he was asked to be the spark off the bench. He didn't produce. Then the last 2 weeks of the season he was put on IR. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Cavs folded like Cheap Lawn seats in the second half. There's no way that can solely be left on one mans shoulders.</div> Did I say he was the reason the Cavs didn't make the playoffs or he is the reason for the Cavs downfall? Um, no. I said he played himself out of a contract. And if you watched all the Cav games like I did and not read about it in the paper then you would have seen what I saw. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He may not get it done offensively but he's not that type of player. He does the little (hustle and good team play) and big things (Defence!!) that help win games.</div> I agree 100%. But when his offense disapeared, so did he defense. He was slowly shoved to the bottom of the bench by the end of the year.
