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Escorted off White House grounds by security and told his services were no longer needed.

...anyone surprised?...at all?
 
With all the troops he has fired in his staff, Lt.Col Vindman probably applauded when Pelosi ripped the speech copy.
 
Also fired Vindman's twin brother and Gordon Sundland.
 
Revenge firing. Classy and illegal
 
yankeesince59 said:
Yup, he didn't have the balls to fire the guy while the investigation/hearing was going...yeah, what a class act.
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I’m with you on this. Any time my aide goes outside the chain of command to Congress, that clown is relieved on general principle. Immediately.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Escorted off White House grounds by security and told his services were no longer needed.

...anyone surprised?...at all?
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it only took this long because the president and nsc protected him. He should’ve been gone months ago and likely would’ve had the army had their way. But they, maybe seeing what the SEALs are going through with disobeying the CinC, probably decided to wait until ordered to.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I’m with you on this. Any time my aide goes outside the chain of command to Congress, that clown is relieved on general principle. Immediately.
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1. He was subpoenaed;
2. He sought legal advice from within his chain of command.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I’m with you on this. Any time my aide goes outside the chain of command to Congress, that clown is relieved on general principle. Immediately.
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Outside the "chain of command"?... Again, he was SUBPOENAED. And as Lanny said, he did go through the chain of command.

Unless of course, you're suggesting that he should have asked Trump for permission. In that case, no.
 
BrianFromWA said:
it only took this long because the president and nsc protected him. He should’ve been gone months ago and likely would’ve had the army had their way. But they, maybe seeing what the SEALs are going through with disobeying the CinC, probably decided to wait until ordered to.
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Trump protected him?...Trump had him fired.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Outside the "chain of command"?...
Unless of course, you're suggesting that he should have asked Trump for permission. In that case, no.
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“Lack of confidence” is the phrase you’re looking for here.
 
crandc said:
Also fired Vindman's twin brother and Gordon Sundland.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ied-to-stop-trump-from-sondland-ouster-report


Group of GOP senators tried to stop Trump from Sondland ouster:

A group of Republican senators attempted to stop President Trump from ousting U.S. Ambassador to the E.U. Gordon Sondland this week, though the president removed the now-former diplomat from his post anyway, sources told The New York Times.

According to the paper's sources, the group of GOP senators – Susan Collins (Maine), Thom Tillis (N.C.), Martha McSally (Ariz.) and Ron Johnson (Wisc.) – thought the ousting of Sondland would look bad, especially since he was already in talks senior officials about leaving his post after the conclusion of the Senate impeachment trial.

However, on Friday, State Department officials informed Sondland that he needed to resign by the end of the day.

Sondland pushed back, reportedly saying that if they wanted him gone on Friday, they would have to remove him. The president then recalled him from his post, effective immediately the newspaper reported.

The announcement of Sondland's outer came just hours after National Security Council aide Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman and his twin brother were removed from their posts.

Vindman and Sondland were both key witnesses in House Democrats' impeachment hearings, but the Times says that the group of lawmakers only registered concern about Sondland's ouster, not Vindman's.

The group conveyed its concerns to acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and legislative affairs director Eric Ueland.

A senior official confirmed the lawmakers' outreach, but the White House declined the Times' request for comment.

The oustings have been dubbed a “Friday night massacre” by Democrats who view the moves as vindication for Trump after the president was acquitted on Wednesday in the Senate impeachment trial.

Trump addressed Vindman's removal on Twitter Saturday morning, saying that he never knew or spoke to Vindman.
 
On a phone now, but happy to later.
Basically, he should’ve been out of his position as soon as he went to the lawyers. Not because he did or didn’t do anything wrong, but because he went against what his bosses were trying to do. We know now it was partisan, but that doesn’t matter. Army wanted him gone as soon as the testimony showed him to be unacceptable to at least half of America. We in the military can not afford to have either side thinking we’re not doing as we’re told by our civilian masters. There were “political timing issues” (I’ll let you guess what those might’ve been) that negated the Army removing him from his post in November.
 
yankeesince59 said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ied-to-stop-trump-from-sondland-ouster-report


Group of GOP senators tried to stop Trump from Sondland ouster:

A group of Republican senators attempted to stop President Trump from ousting U.S. Ambassador to the E.U. Gordon Sondland this week, though the president removed the now-former diplomat from his post anyway, sources told The New York Times.

According to the paper's sources, the group of GOP senators – Susan Collins (Maine), Thom Tillis (N.C.), Martha McSally (Ariz.) and Ron Johnson (Wisc.) – thought the ousting of Sondland would look bad ... Vindman and Sondland were both key witnesses in House Democrats' impeachment hearings, but the Times says that the group of lawmakers only registered concern about Sondland's ouster, not Vindman's.

Trump addressed Vindman's removal on Twitter Saturday morning, saying that he never knew or spoke to Vindman.
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I don’t know much about the Sondland stuff, but that article tracks with both my points.
 
Again, I'm sorry, but I'm still not grasping exactly what your point is, or how the article/link I provided, somehow bolsters your point. Sundland was not in the military, so why wasn't he fired "immediately"?

Are you saying that Trump's dismissal of Sundland/both Vindman brothers was anything more than revenge/vindictiveness on Trumps part, instead of firing them for poor performance?
 
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Considering all that Trump has been up against from the various agencies and democratic party at large since DAY-ONE in office, I'd probably cut Vindman loose, as well.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I’m with you on this. Any time my aide goes outside the chain of command to Congress, that clown is relieved on general principle. Immediately.
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But he wasn't relieved "immediately", which is the problem I have with the way it was done. Trump waited till he "beat the rap" on impeachment.
 
ABM said:
Considering all that Trump has been up against from the various agencies and democratic party at large since DAY-ONE in office, I'd probably cut Vindman loose, as well.
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Well, for one, you're not Trump. Secondly, if you were, why wouldn't you fire them all right away?
 
BrianFromWA said:
He wasn’t fired until yesterday. How long has it been since he went public?
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The President can protect anyone he wants for as long as he wants. If they get fired usually he does the firing but in cases where he doesn't protect someone they can get fired by anyone above them in their chain of command.
 
Firing these Deep State puppets during the failed impeachment attempt would have been portrayed by the Dems as witness intimidation.
 
Lanny said:
The President can protect anyone he wants for as long as he wants. If they get fired usually he does the firing but in cases where he doesn't protect someone they can get fired by anyone above them in their chain of command.
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Yo Lanny! Did you get my PM?
 
BrianFromWA said:
I’m with you on this. Any time my aide goes outside the chain of command to Congress, that clown is relieved on general principle. Immediately.
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And would you also relieve any family members of the aide?

It seems like you are asserting that Congress should have no power to get testimony from anyone in the military if POTUS disapproves. Is that correct?

barfo
 
barfo said:
And would you also relieve any family members of the aide?

It seems like you are asserting that Congress should have no power to get testimony from anyone in the military if POTUS disapproves. Is that correct?

barfo
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False testimony is what Vindman was fired for, disobeying orders and obstruction of the Presidency.

In layman's terms, Treason.
 
MARIS61 said:
False testimony is what Vindman was fired for, disobeying orders and obstruction of the Presidency.

In layman's terms, Treason.
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Plus all the people he helped Hillary murder. Oh, and his ties George Soros. And for releasing the Coronavirus.

And those are just the things we know about!

barfo
 
There is a growing movement to nominate Vindman for a Profile in Courage award.

I signed up. Those who get why we should, should as well. For those who don't, or don't know what it means, then just ignore this post, or bloviate, or whatever.

Nominate him here.
 
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