Politics Turning taters into tots (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

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  1. CupWizier

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    We all have opinions, but Obama was a very capable president that actually showed leadership and compassion. Biden is also capable of putting forth an administration and will listen to his experts rather that argue with them and fire them if they disagree. How you can defend this clown is beyond me, but hey, it's your right.
     
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    Lmao!!

    Trump should tell all states to lock down!!!

    Trump has no right to tell states to end protests!!!

    Trump is responsible for the virus spread!!!!

    But Pelosi touring Chinatown telling people to come out and support local businesses is not irresponsible!!!!
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    Some of you are clearly unable to debate rationally and sensibly.....
     
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    Im sure that is the answer to some question someone asked somewhere, but it did not answer mine. Please step to the back of the line, reread and try again.

    until then this is simply deflection.
     
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    I didn't defend him. That's the problem with all this though. It's so polarized if you don't toe the party line's, you're the 'otherside' and you're defending him! It's just frankly not true. These two political parties and this type of logic is the killing off of free-thought and anything that doesn't fit the narrative the parties say you must have. The left is so obsessed with Trump they seem to think the entire government is Trump and that every bad thing that happens is all his fault. The right is so obsessed with Trump they do everything that he says. Anyone who is in between both of these gangs are accused of being on the other gang because you aren't bowing down to partisan politics.
     
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    Obama sure is a good talker! Big Pharma and the insurance companies think he was compassionate to their pocket books. I bet the syrians he bombed the heck out of thought of him as very compassionate as well...
    The thing is not all of that was Obama’s fault even though he was president every bit of blame for it doesnt all go on him. Just like Trump. They both had to work with a bunch of other politicians with different agenda’s.
     
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    @TorturedBlazerFan

    This ones for you. :)



    And ill toss this one in as a kicker...

    IM a generous gifter. HAHA@

     
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    Oh boy!
     
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    Well, you seem to be running circles around the bush and so I figured id remind you that teapots have a spout! HAHAHA
     
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    Lol. That stupid song. Makes me laugh every time.
     
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    I think that's a great point and a great way to look at it. As you allude to, people look just at the final "two choices" (major party choices) as if that's all there ever was. It's akin to saying only 64 players enter basketball each year, since only 64 are drafted into the NBA. The draft is the culmination of a ton of winnowing processes at a number of levels. I don't think our system is ideal, but it's not really due to "number of choices." I think two large categories (liberal and conservative) with a bunch of options within each category works fine. As you said, 2 may not be the perfect amount but it's not clear to me that 2 is terrible.

    If you feel the two major party candidates are terrible, it's because not enough people agreed with your concept of what''s good. If a majority of Americans, or even Democrats, thought Bernie Sanders was great, he'd be a candidate right now.
     
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    If the system was clean and not corrupt yes. I don't personally believe that to be the case though. I believe the system is corrupt that Republicans and Democrats cheat with primaries and elections all the time. Biden was losing. Then all the competition dropped out the weekend before super tuesday and endorsed Biden, because a lot of Democrats think Bernie is too far 'left', their own paid for media, CNN, ABC, etc were saying that. Sure part of politics is making, 'promises' and back-room deals but Bernie probably wins if not for that. Then in 2016, there was some shenanigans with Bernie and Hillary too.
    That said I just think the two political parties have much more control than people think, they manipulate who the candidates are, they manipulate through the media who the candidates are. Heck if the Media wasn't so in love with talking about and giving Trump a free 1 year-long news cycle he wouldn't have won the primaries in 2016. I think the media actually did that on purpose because they thought Hillary would beat him easily. That's why they were all so shocked when the electoral votes started coming in.
    Like I said though, it's not that there is 2 parties that I don't like the system, it's what these two specific parties have turned into that I don't like. You will have issues with 1 party or a plethora of parties, big or small there will be issues.
     
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    What's funny is that Trump and Biden have already both questioned the legitimacy of the election. So... I guess we know they're both planning to cheat lol.
     
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    and claim foul play when they lose
     
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    Wouldnt be surprised if they claim foul play even if they win...
     
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    I mean, Trump already did that last time. Haha
     
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    Wondered what you did for a living! (Work in tech recruiting).

    Coke and Pepsi are not enough choices. Especially when both are bad for your health.
     
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    I think the system is broken, too. But, as I said, it's not due to an (effective) two party system. I think the impact of money is far too great on the system, I think there are far too many ways to game the system (as in, for example, gerrymandering), we have fairly undemocratic systems like the Senate (two Senators per state regardless of population) and the Electoral College (essentially the same reason as the Senate, though not quite as rigidly undemocratic). But the main problem is the money in politics--corruption always follows money. There are a lot of fixes that are needed, but the first, biggest step IMO is closing off the super PAC loophole when it comes to campaign finance.
     

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