I read it a little differently. I saw a resigned understanding that the Nets were losing something very valuable, but he seemed to me to be not overly downbeat. In other words, he wasn't falsely optimistic but seemed at the same time committed to turning the proverbial page, which is pretty much all I'd hope for from someone in his situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god i wish we never resigned vince</div> Yes, because he's clearly holding the team back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god i wish we never resigned vince</div> do you not remember how absolutely incredible he was the last two years? I could understand voicing a complaint about the LENGTH of the contract . . . but sign him at all? Are you high? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets go back to more ISOs for Vince now . . . and that he goes absolutely nuts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god i wish we never resigned vince</div> do you not remember how absolutely incredible he was the last two years? I could understand voicing a complaint about the LENGTH of the contract . . . but sign him at all? Are you high? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets go back to more ISOs for Vince now . . . and that he goes absolutely nuts. </div> I'm very close to putting Jizzy on "ignore". (You can do that here, right?)
Regarding isos, I feel VERY strongly that the Nets should start every game by posting Vince. First, it's consistently one of the best sets the Nets have in terms of getting a quality shot. Second, it guarantees that VC will get into the lane early, and that is the best way to ensure that he gets there often throughout the game, whether from more post ups or drives. It's a way to force his offensive aggressiveness by giving him the chance to get close without the high speed/higher risk contact that comes from perimeter drives. And if we acquire a shooter, it's also the best way to get that guy a good shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 19 2008, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He was hiding a huge smile.</div> lol I also didn't find any tears on his face.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god i wish we never resigned vince</div> do you not remember how absolutely incredible he was the last two years? I could understand voicing a complaint about the LENGTH of the contract . . . but sign him at all? Are you high? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets go back to more ISOs for Vince now . . . and that he goes absolutely nuts. </div> I'm very close to putting Jizzy on "ignore". (You can do that here, right?) </div> Last April Vince had quite possibly the greatest month-long offensive performance in team history, leading the team into the playoffs. 29 PPG on 48% shooting . . . nearly three 3-pointers a game . . . 7.1 rebounds . . . 6.7 assists . . . maybe his performances after the trade that brought him here rival that, but he didn't have the assists then. Vince was also huge against Toronto in the playoffs. yes, he flamed out against Cleveland, but some of that was due to injury, and it doesn't take away from his entire body of work.
Preaching to the choir, Dumpy. Vince is a victim of his own basketball skills/talent in that he makes his accomplishments look incredibly easy at times. Everyone therefore assumes he should do it all the time when, fact is, he doesn't have a consistent enough motor to do it every month or every week or every game. To paraphrase Pat Riley, "Intensity (hustle) is a talent." That's the one area of talent where Carter is clearly inferior to a Bryant or Kidd or Garnett. But he's also not getting paid (per year) anything close to what those guys are making yet he will still have his share of games where he will deliver as well as any of them can. Yes his performances have a high dynamic range, a high standard deviation from his norm. And I could easily see preferring one of those guys to Vince if you had a choice to obtain one of them. I can also see the point that his contract was too long, given his age and the fact that he's a player who has always relied substantially on athletic ability. But there is absolutely no argument for the fact that, per year, he's overpaid for what he's delivering, even this year, by far his worst as a Net. For a "mere" $13.? million, you have a player who, on any given night and even for any given MONTH of the season, can perform as good or better as any non-big in this league. In view of that, the level of disdain for him among some Nets fans is truly disgusting. Toronto fans, I can understand, since he did the same thing to them that Kidd did to NJ. But he has been a great teammate, and Rod Thorn has gone out of his way recently in public statements (and in responses to questions of problems between Kidd and Carter) to talk about what a great PERSON Carter is and that it is simply not in his personality to "not get along" with anyone. That counts for something, in my book. I'm glad this Kidd thing happened to Carter because it sensitizes him in a way he probably didn't feel before to what his trade demand meant to his teammates in Toronto (although there were some significant differences in the two situations). It can only make him a more determined player in the short term, and, if he can stay reasonably pain free in the ankle from here on, the Nets would be silly to not cash in on that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 19 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god i wish we never resigned vince</div> do you not remember how absolutely incredible he was the last two years? I could understand voicing a complaint about the LENGTH of the contract . . . but sign him at all? Are you high? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets go back to more ISOs for Vince now . . . and that he goes absolutely nuts. </div> I'm very close to putting Jizzy on "ignore". (You can do that here, right?) </div> Last April Vince had quite possibly the greatest month-long offensive performance in team history, leading the team into the playoffs. 29 PPG on 48% shooting . . . nearly three 3-pointers a game . . . 7.1 rebounds . . . 6.7 assists . . . maybe his performances after the trade that brought him here rival that, but he didn't have the assists then. Vince was also huge against Toronto in the playoffs. yes, he flamed out against Cleveland, but some of that was due to injury, and it doesn't take away from his entire body of work. </div> And what's he worth? Two expiring contracts and nothing else. Why? His contract is an enormous mistake.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And what's he worth? Two expiring contracts and nothing else. Why? His contract is an enormous mistake.</div> Don't think part of the poor market isn't related to uninformed idiots like Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley pronouncing that Vince's "knees are gone", pure speculation made in total ignorance of the fact that the guy was still getting his ankle drained periodically for a painful ankle sprain that was never given time to properly heal. The contract was a year too long and escalates a little too steeply towards the end. Otherwise I think it was earned by his body of work as a Net and by the fact that he looked as good as he'd ever looked going into the playoffs last year (and even in games 3 & 4 against Toronto.) And we have yet to see what he is "worth" at this point in time. I don't put much stock in trade rumors until they reach a much more substantial point than those thus far bandied about regarding Vince.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And what's he worth? Two expiring contracts and nothing else. Why? His contract is an enormous mistake.</div> Don't think part of the poor market isn't related to uninformed idiots like Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley pronouncing that Vince's "knees are gone", pure speculation made in total ignorance of the fact that the guy was still getting his ankle drained periodically for a painful ankle sprain that was never given time to properly heal. The contract was a year too long and escalates a little too steeply towards the end. Otherwise I think it was earned by his body of work as a Net and by the fact that he looked as good as he'd ever looked going into the playoffs last year (and even in games 3 & 4 against Toronto.) And we have yet to see what he is "worth" at this point in time. I don't put much stock in trade rumors until they reach a much more substantial point than those thus far bandied about regarding Vince. </div> That year too long and escalation are HUGE amounts of money. I want to see him play with the new team, too, but I want them to get rid of the contract more. Those wouldn't be opposing factors if they didn't screw up his contract negotiation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Feb 19 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For some reason i dont want Vince to leave.</div> LOL if you look close u can sort of see a little smile near the end of the clip I hope he has something up his sleeve or the NETS are doomed
