I read all the time about how bad Vince Carter's contract is, not only from people on here but from a lot of writers around the league, and I'm completely confused to how this is. The first question before I throw any kind of numbers out there would have to be, how good do you think Vince Carter is? From a statistical perspective, he was one of the best in the league. PPG: 21.6...16th in the league APG: 5.1...20th in the league RPG: 6.0...50th in the league Remarkable numbers if you ask me. And to compare those numbers to other players in the league he was one of 3 players to average 21 points, 5 assists, and 6 rebounds per game. Those other two players were Kobe Bryant and Lebron James. Now on to his contract. This year he was being payed 13 million. That was good for 30th in the league. Next year he is due 15.2 million. This year that would be good for 20th in the league. The following year he is due 16.3 million. Which would be good for about 15th in the league. Then in the 2010/2011 season he is due 17.3 million. That would be worth 12th in the league. But remember those rankings are based off this year's salary. Player's overall salaries increase every year so those rankings in 2009, 2010, and 2011 will be a little lower than I have them at now. So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making. Putting up 21/6/5 on any team would have to make you a top 15 player in the league, does it not? Next year if VC puts up similar numbers, I don't see how he's not living up to his contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div> Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious?
Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins. That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div> Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious? </div> yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div> Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious? </div> yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5 </div> Inconsistently, yeah. He finally decided give an effort when we were absolutely desperate for wins.
People like to hate on Vince. He's probably still gonna be paid 30th most or so through the extent of his contract, due to others getting bigger contracts, as well as some escalating. He's even been better since Kidd left, with like 23.5/7/5 off of 18 shots and only 2 TOs each game. He may not be that great on defense, but he is great at every other aspect of the game. Who else could you expect to put up those numbers on a team going through a big change, while still possibly battling an injured ankle? LeBron, and probably no one else. But no matter what you say or what he does, people are still gonna hate on him, he's one of the players that people just love to hate.
the complaints about his contract seem to generally center around the argument that it is too long--by the end of the deal he will be vastly overpaid, and that the Nets should have signed him to a three-year deal at around the same first-year salary.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins. That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.</div> Wins with Vince:33 Wins without him:0 you aren't trying to pin the losses on him, are you? just that he's too old for a rebuilding team? Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins. That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.</div> Wins with Vince:33 Wins without him:0 you aren't trying to pin the losses on him, are you? just that he's too old for a rebuilding team? Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year. </div> 33 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div> Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious? </div> yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5 </div> Inconsistently, yeah. He finally decided give an effort when we were absolutely desperate for wins. </div> I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists. This is purely speculation, of course, but I think Frank wanted RJ to take over as more of the scorer and Vince kind of play off him. It should have been the other way around, because Vince is a very good ball distributer, RJ not so much. But what I think is that Frank gave up on this idea and many more iso's called for Vince, late in the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm... </div> So assists don't lead to points? Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
Zach Randolph put up some damn pretty stats when he was with the Blazers last season. Pretty Stats <> Wins
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm... </div> So assists don't lead to points? Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence? </div> Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story. No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm... </div> So assists don't lead to points? Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence? </div> 10-17 since Kidd left.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm... </div> So assists don't lead to points? Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence? </div> Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story. No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible. </div> oh so you know Vince Carter personally then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div> Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div> But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm... </div> So assists don't lead to points? Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence? </div> Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story. No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible. </div> oh so you know Vince Carter personally then? </div> Stop trying to belittle me. There is a signifacent difference in the way Carter played the first 60 games, and the last 20 games. Don't be so bias.
Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to. But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying? Then after Kidd gets traded, he goes on a tear. Doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, sounds quite logical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to.</div> Show me the article. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying?</div> But maybe he's being paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to.</div> Show me the article. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying?</div> But maybe he's being paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball. </div> Yeah, I understand, but it kind of takes the wind out of your sails when the leader of your team says stuff like that. I'll get the article for you give me a minute though.
