<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The glamour position of the NBA remains just that. Filled with spectacular athletes capable of taking over games in any number of ways, they can grab the ball off the rim, take the ball the length of the floor, and burn defenders from the perimeter or off the dribble on a whim. The bigger question is how do you differentiate between the elite shooting guards who play the game today? Seriously now ... do you really think Dwyane Wade is a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant? Then again, is Kobe Bryant more talented than Tracy McGrady? And while we're at it, is any one of the aforementioned trio even close to being the same kind of consistent leader that Ray Allen was for the Seattle SuperSonics last season? Not to be forgotten is the biggest winner of the entire group ? Manu Ginobili, who in the last four seasons has won two NBA titles, an Olympic gold medal and a European title.</div> http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4806088 In the words of the human torch "Flame on!"
Interesting top 10 list, however, the writer should change the title of his article to best teammate shooting guard. He pointed Kobe is better at everything, and the best package, but is held back by his leadership skills. Hopefully Kobe can correct that element of his game, in the eyes of his critics. Based on his criteria I think TMac should have been #1 on the list. He lead the Rockets last season into the playoffs, and resorted back to playing defense. He stepped to the challenge to defend Dirk Nowitzki in the playoffs. Dwayne Wade is a great player, but he didn't have the responsibility of being the team's #1 option on offense and defense. Shaq was the #1 option on offense, and Eddie Jones was the #1 option on defense. Based on last season my top 5 would be ... Tracy McGrady Kobe Bryant Dwayne Wade Ray Allen Manu Ginobili
Tracy did take huge steps last season- but he still hasn't gotten out of the first round. This is the second time his team was up 2 games in the first round and then they lost the series. Dwayne Wade- Obviously in the top 3 gaurds in the leage, but he doesn't have the experience yet to even compare with Tracy or Kobe, Ray. Ray Allen- Maybe the best leader, maybe has the best coach. He's got a lot of things going including that sweet J, but after that his production drops off considerably in rebounds and assists, as well as defense. Kobe- Pretty damn good at every thing, except leading. I beleive he can and will be a leader, and u have to consider the fact that his team last year went from decent to worse, as people got injured and coaches retired.
Im a huge wade fan but i diagree with saying he is the best shooting guard. He is great but not the best. Its hard for me to call him the best when he isn't even the number one option on his team and can barely hit a three pointer. This is my list: 1.t-mac 2.kobe 3.wade 4.allen 5.Pierce 6.ginobili (Tied) 6.carter (Tied)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MiamiBalla12:</div><div class="quote_post">Im a huge wade fan but i diagree with saying he is the best shooting guard. He is great but not the best. Its hard for me to call him the best when he isn't even the number one option on his team and can barely hit a three pointer. This is my list: 1.t-mac 2.kobe 3.wade 4.allen 5.Pierce 6.ginobili (Tied) 6.carter (Tied)</div> i think they mite be considering pierce a sf because his name doesnt even appear in the notables
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">i think they mite be considering pierce a sf because his name doesnt even appear in the notables</div> They probably are but he's a sg/sf sorta like T-Mac. I think he should be considered a shooting guard also.
First off, I'm a rocket fan so I HATE putting Tmac second to anybody. But Kobe is BEST PLAYER in the league. There are levels I've seen Kobe elevate his game, that NOBODY simply has gone yet. People putting Wade in Kobe's class aren't being realistic. The Lakers had a bad year, in which everybody blames Kobe for. Terrible coach, terrible system, no chemistry, no balance and absolutley no size at Center. The Lakers had no direction last year. That's not all Kobe's fault. Wade is a rising star. But he AIN'T NO KOBE. He ain't even no Tmac either. Until I see somebody that's hands down better than Kobe, he'll be the best. I think your better off comparing Wade to Lebron, Carmello, and and other young stars.
I think wade is better than kobe and tmac in that he has a winning attitude in his first season he took a mediocore team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Kobe in his prime with virtually the same team couldn't even make the playoffs.
Winning Attitude? You dont think Kobe doesn't have that attitude? He always comes out to win. Wade happens to have the Diesel now, plus a great group of role players. Kobe has Odom. hardly a comparision. Put kobe on the heat team, and wade on last years Lakers roster and you would see Kobe and the Heat in the Finals and Wade and the Lakers packing before the playoffs started. So many people are quick to pull the trigger on Kobe. Wade had Odom, Caron, and good support his first year. His support was much better than what Kobe had last season.
McGrady was a SF last season, but as a SG the only reason I'd rank him ahead of Kobe is because he won more, player more games, and didn't have drama on his team. Kobe is still the most skilled SG in the NBA, with McGrady being right behind him, Carter being right there with both offensively, and Wade coming up as a guy who can do it all on both ends. Kobe is a better individual player than Wade, but Wade is a better teammates, and a guy that can fit better in a lot of different team systems. Neglecting injuries and all that, I'd rank the SG's [or players who are playing SF right now and people put as SG's anyways]: 1) Kobe 2) Tmac 3) Wade 4) Carter 5) Allen 6) Pierce 7) Ginobili 8) Hughes 9) J-Rich 10) Redd <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Put kobe on the heat team, and wade on last years Lakers roster and you would see Kobe and the Heat in the Finals and Wade and the Lakers packing before the playoffs started. </div> You know the year before, it was Odom-Wade, an injured Butler, Jones, and Grant, and the Heat made the playoffs even after a slow start. Add to that, Wade only played 65 games, and they didn't fare so well without him. Before the trade, people were expecting big things from the Wade-Odom-Butler combo, and expecting them to be a Top 4 team in the East.
Tmac and Kobe have similiar games....insanely similiar, but Kobe's got more moves. He is hands down the best one-on-one player in the league. I think it's ridiculous to say Tmac is better since he had a better year than Kobe. Look at their respective careers and tell me who's the better player if your basing it off wins.
Wade was the best SG in the league last year. That can change though, if Kobe steps up and puts his ego aside. I don't think he realizes how easy it is for him and the Lakers to get better: all he has to do is start passing more and being a team player. That's way easier than throwing up fadeaways when he's being double-teamed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post"> So many people are quick to pull the trigger on Kobe. Wade had Odom, Caron, and good support his first year. His support was much better than what Kobe had last season.</div> Oh ya your right wade had...exactly the same teamates as Kobe down to brian grant, and he still made the playoffs with them and kobe didnt. You made my point.
KObe is the best 1 on 1 player. His offencive arsenal is relentless and endless. But I think that his defence is questionable now a days. When Tmac guarded Dirk I was impressed. But Kobe is overall the best SG in the league. My List Kobe Tmac Wade Artest Iverson Allen Manu Pierce I only came up with 9 and pierce almost didnt make it to me but he is the least best out of these players. Other guards havent reached this level, Although there are some talented forwards.
A while back, there was an article rating best shooting guards of all time. MJ was first, Paul Arizin was second, Bill Sharman was third, and Kobe was fourth.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Artest Iverson</div> One is a SF, and has always been a SF, and the other made the move to PG last season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lamont:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh ya your right wade had...exactly the same teamates as Kobe down to brian grant, and he still made the playoffs with them and kobe didnt. You made my point.</div> The teams were not the same, and more importantly the circumstances were not the same. The Heat team with Wade-Odom-Butler won only 42 games, they would not have made the playoffs either if they were in the Western Conference. I'm sure you will reply with, the Lakers only won 34 games, but it had more to do with a new coach and new system being implemented half way through the season. Brian Grant was a shell of the player he was when he came to the Lakers. His knees were shot and went from playing 30.3 MPG to only 16.5 MPG. Not to mention Vlade Divac played a meaningless 15 games. Tough to win when you have no depth in the frontline. You cannot blame that on Kobe and equate the Lakers losing season to him being a worse teammate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lamont:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh ya your right wade had...exactly the same teamates as Kobe down to brian grant, and he still made the playoffs with them and kobe didnt. You made my point.</div> It's funny. I truly think the lack of respect for Kobe is personal. I think people don't like Kobe's image, for whatever reason, and they nit-pick at every little things. I see it like this: <div align="center">Kobe vs Wade</div> <div align="center">Clutch: Kobe Ball Handling: Kobe Hops: Kobe Rings: Kobe Experience: Kobe Defense: Kobe</div> Wade showed last year that he isn't quite as polished as we thought he was. In Game 7, with the game on the line, he folded. I gurantee if that were Kobe, the outcome would be different.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny. I truly think the lack of respect for Kobe is personal. I think people don't like Kobe's image, for whatever reason, and they nit-pick at every little things. I see it like this: <div align="center">Kobe vs Wade</div> <div align="center">Clutch: Kobe Ball Handling: Kobe Hops: Kobe Rings: Kobe Experience: Kobe Defense: Kobe</div> Wade showed last year that he isn't quite as polished as we thought he was. In Game 7, with the game on the line, he folded. I gurantee if that were Kobe, the outcome would be different.</div> Kobe more clutch? Watch a D Wade mx or video and see how many clutch shots he's hit.Wade's ball handlin is better than Kobe's 4 sure, Kobe led the league in turnovers. Hops? Who cares, hops don't win or lose games. Rings, Wade's only been playin for 2 years? He'll get his share though. Experience of course Kobe because he has played longer, but his teamates don't rlly around him like they do for D Wade. Defense Kobe? Wade was one of the few guards to have over 80 blocks and 80 steals I believe and he lso had over 100 steals if im not mistaken. He folded cause he was injured or have you not seen basketball in a while? How could you say that Kobe would've made a difference? is his named Michael Jordan...no it's not. Moving on, I think that the list is a bit off. I love Wade but I give Kobe the edge because he is the better player(right now) It should go like this 1. kobe 2. T Mac 3. Wade 4. Allen 5. Carter 6. Pierce 7. Ginobli 8. Francis 9. Redd 10. Hughes If you consider LBJ as a Sg then every1 behind Wade moves back a spot. T Mac is just to versatile a player to be left out of the top. Ray over Vc was tough but right now I think Ray Ray is better. Pierce was also a tough call to put behind Vince, but I think Vince is a better player. J Rich just missed my list.
What i cant figure out is the fact that why no one has noticed that wade cant shoot the 3 ball at all (.289). O yes i know that wade is spectacular off the dribble but look who was opening up the lanes for him. Shaq haslem and mourning cuz those guys would pound the boards if wade ever missed a shot. Wade also has alot of assists because look who he can pass to if he gets in trouble. Eddie and damon jones who are absolutely amazing at the three ball. He also had doleac and laettner who are two good 15 foot shooters. I GAURANTEE U that wades pts will drop to 20-21(or less) but his assist count will go higher with the addition of walker and posey or might take a turn for the worst if jwill decides to take full pg duties half court and full court plays. MY starting 5 for sg: kobe tmac ray allen vince carter tied ginobili/rip hamilton dont get me wrong i am a wade fan but i think lebron is a better player cuz i gaurantee u if u switchd lebron with wade last season wade/shaq < lebron/shaq wade has just been blessed with a better team both years. Carmelo has no excuse
