I think the reason for that is age. Bosh is what, 21? And then DWade is like 25 or something. Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure I am
I dont get why everyone loves Bosh so much. Sure he is a solid young player. But he hasn't done anything. really 23 and 9 good but not awesome? I mean people have put him in comparisons with Garnett, Duncan, Kobe , Lebron and now wade!! WTF? All these players have done great things he is still just a solid young player. Same goes for CP3 for that matter- comparing him to Isiah? Cmon guys! Wade FTW
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Oct 14 2006, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get why everyone loves Bosh so much. Sure he is a solid young player. But he hasn't done anything. really 23 and 9 good but not awesome? I mean people have put him in comparisons with Garnett, Duncan, Kobe , Lebron and now wade!! WTF? All these players have done great things he is still just a solid young player. Same goes for CP3 for that matter- comparing him to Isiah? Cmon guys! Wade FTW </div>Let me take phrases and words from your post to help you understand why everyone likes Bosh so much:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>young player</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>23 and 9</div>And whot he hell compared him to Kobe, LeBron or Wade? This is bout who youd rather start a franchise with, not who's the better player
Obviously Wade. Sure, Bosh is a big and most teams that are revolved around bigs are more successful, but you cant pass up on Dwyane. Plus, Dwyane has been so successful early on in his NBA career that you cant help but go with him. He has playoff experience, he is a GREAT leader, and a hell of a player. Nothing against Bosh, but easily Wade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMartAce @ Oct 15 2006, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And whot he hell compared him to Kobe, LeBron or Wade? This is bout who youd rather start a franchise with, not who's the better player</div>Big deal he hasn't won a darn thing.I didn't say he compared them, I said that I have seen it done.
what do you expect him to do when he has an awful supporting cast? He hasnt had the chance to "win a darn thing" when he had one of the worst teams in the league last year. And trust me, it had nothing to do with Bosh. Wade is a better person to start his career with, but its not because Bosh hasnt won anything yet, its just because Wade is that good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Oct 14 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Big deal he hasn't won a darn thing.I didn't say he compared them, I said that I have seen it done.</div>Thats not fair..He's never had the supporting cast Wade has had. Imagine Bosh + Shaq. That would be nasty.Anyways, I already voiced my opinions in the thread in the Raptors forum.. :ranting:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Oct 14 2006, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Big deal he hasn't won a darn thing.I didn't say he compared them, I said that I have seen it done.</div>*Ding Ding*You are the first completely ignorant poster I've seen in my return. Good for you!Don't compare winning between Bosh and Wade. Look at their team's for God's sake. It's people like you that made me leave the board. (Not at a shot at the board's current state, beacuse at the present time I think this palce is without a doubt the most kick-ass place I've seen in a long time. Keep it up boys)
I love D-Wade. Obviously I think he's awesome because he led my team to a championship.That being said if I was STARTING a franchise I would get Chris Bosh. The fact is that it's harder to find a talented big-man in today's league than it is to find a guard who can score. So starting with Bosh I could find a guard to help me out but if I had Wade I'd have a harder time finding a talented big man to help out (without overpaying).
I agree with the fact that it is better to start a franchise with a big, but how can you pass up on a guy like Dwyane Wade? He knows how to win big games and he showed last year in the finals that he can lead the team with having a guy of Shaq's status right beside him. That is something that Kobe never did. Sure, Shaq is starting his downfall right now but Dwayne rose to the occasion and succeeding with greatness. He can do it all. Score, playmake, draw doubles, play defense, and he is already a great leader. Michael Jordan was a guard and he was the best player on his team and he had NO inside presence on that team really. Unless you count Luc Longley as an inside presence. Now I know Dwayne isnt MJ, but his skillset is not that much worse. The reason MJ was and is the best player of all time is because of what he did in the playoffs. He was clutch and had alot of game winners which resulted in him getting 6 championships. Sure, he had amazing stats and was crazy to watch, but Wade isnt that much far behind him when it comes to their skillsets.
Wade's been a winner his whole career, both in the pros and college. He has proven at every level at ball that he can bring success. Bosh hasn't made the playoffs. We can argue about supporting cast but other people in the past have lead weaker teams to the playoffs. Not blaming Bosh on his teams's lack of success but when a comparision is at hand success has to be taken into consideration. We can't make assumptions that "if bosh had shaq he would be a winner" which is total bs.Wade is what he's always been , a winner. I take him.
I completely agree with your assessment of Wade. BUT let's not forget the impact that having Shaquille O'Neal has on a team either. Drawing double-teams at ANY position is extermely handy. Without a dominant big the Heat may not have won that series either, it's hard to determine.All I know is Bosh is a double-team drawing big, with that a team has a good start. And that's what we're talking about, starting a team off.
Had it been three years ago, and not knowing what I know now, I would have taken Bosh as the pick. Knowing what I know now, I am going to say that Wade would be my pick if I was starting a franchise. It's not only because he won a championship on a loaded team, or because Bosh hasn't been to the playoffs. For one, starting a franchise, Wade is more marketable than Bosh is and will sell me more tickets by himself, than Bosh would. Since money is going to be a big part of my franchise, then it's going to be nice to have someone that sells more tickets.More importantly though, what he does for a team, I feel is more significant than what Bosh does. He can get you 27 or 28 points per game, probably higher if he didn't pass as much, every night, and shoulder the scoring load for a team better than Bosh can. Also Wade is one of those guards that can control the whole game for his team. He can play decent defense, is great at driving to the rim, has a nice mid range shot, can pass well, is a good free throw shooter, and maybe most importantly in my eyes, he knows how to draw fouls. His ability to get into the lane and create with the ball, and draw contact would make a team go round. It helps get the team into the bonus, so every time they foul its free throws for everyone. While Bosh is a nice player, and I wouldn't mind starting a franchise with him, Wade is just better to start a franchise with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (falconman1130 @ Oct 15 2006, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I completely agree with your assessment of Wade. BUT let's not forget the impact that having Shaquille O'Neal has on a team either. Drawing double-teams at ANY position is extermely handy. Without a dominant big the Heat may not have won that series either, it's hard to determine.All I know is Bosh is a double-team drawing big, with that a team has a good start. And that's what we're talking about, starting a team off.</div>Shaq was not by Wade's side in college. His triple double sent his team to the final four. In his rookie season shaq wasn't there. We all know what he did in that post season. Shaq helps but he certaintly is not the reason why wade has that "it" factor. That is the reason why I picked wade. Besides his skill set he has another layer to his game which bosh lacks (or hasn't shown).Shaq wasn't dominant this season but yet wade had his best season. This is the first season shaq could be single covered decently (kwame brown). Shaq has been declining for a while and has not be truly domiant since 2004.
Actually I don't know what Wade did his rookie year.And did the Heat win it till Shaq came?I'm not saying Shaq being dominant is what made Wade do what he did. I will say that when Shaquille O'Neal is on the court his team is instantly better, if only because of the attention he draws. The Heat went from 42-40 to 59-23 the year they got Shaq!
I am a Wade hater so IM going to go with Bosh:There aren't that many big man that has the youth and talent as Bosh. Hes versatile with a good work ethic and has a more than decent midrange Jumper
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (falconman1130 @ Oct 15 2006, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually I don't know what Wade did his rookie year.And did the Heat win it till Shaq came?I'm not saying Shaq being dominant is what made Wade do what he did. I will say that when Shaquille O'Neal is on the court his team is instantly better, if only because of the attention he draws. The Heat went from 42-40 to 59-23 the year they got Shaq!</div>Well he led his team to the 2nd round and was very clutch in that post season including a gamewinner against the hornets. In game 6 against the pacers when all his teamates disappeared wade kept his team in the game. He had 10 points in the 4th quarter. Check out the rest of the teamOdom 5-17Jones 6-21Butler 1-9Grant 0-5He did that without shaq. Shaq is not the reason why wade is a superstar. Wade would've become a superstar with or without shaq.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 15 2006, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well he led his team to the 2nd round and was very clutch in that post season including a gamewinner against the hornets. In game 6 against the pacers when all his teamates disappeared wade kept his team in the game. He had 10 points in the 4th quarter. Check out the rest of the teamOdom 5-17Jones 6-21Butler 1-9Grant 0-5He did that without shaq. Shaq is not the reason why wade is a superstar. Wade would've become a superstar with or without shaq.</div>He wasn't the leader of the team but was the one who stepped up like you said. When Shaq was out this season injured he put out some good numbers too and even though we lost some of those games it was because the Heat were on a road-trip against the Western teams.
