Warriors Notebook

This was a month that I think we would all like to forget.

 

Ive pretty much forgot what its like to see a win...
Sports in general has been pretty depressing in the bay area..Im a Raider fan and the last 2 seasons have been some of the worst Ive seen and I know Niner fans arent feeling any better...The Giants better make the playoffs this year..

 

I'm a Raider, Warriors and A's fan. Bad year for me as well.

 

I'm a Jet, Knicks and Yankees fan. Bad year for me as well.

 

No Hockey in TO...Raps heading in the right direction but still learning, and the Jays are in the AL East. The only thing we really have are the Rock (NLL), but they changed their whole team around. You're not alone Rudeezy.

Oh ya, just remembered that Toronto won the Grey Cup Not the SuperBowl, but oh well.

 

I'm just giving up. Dunleavy is trying to take the leader role and we've lost key players everywhere. Unless we make a trade soon, we are doomed to a twenty win season

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm just giving up. Dunleavy is trying to take the leader role and we've lost key players everywhere. Unless we make a trade soon, we are doomed to a twenty win season </div>

Is that a bad thing? Even if they somehow win half their games they will still finish with around 32 wins. And in my opinion winning 32 is worse than winning 15 games. I'm not saying they lose on purpose. I never want to see that. But it will give the team a chance to see the younger players play and they ahve a better chance at a high draft pick.

 

I hope they play Flores, Biedrens, and Pietrus more. Fans don't go to games to watch aging marginal talent players jack up 3's and get hit with passes in the back of the head. Fisher! Foyle! I can put up with DD because he does at least two things well (rebound, defend in the post) but I haven't seen Fisher or Foyle do more than one good thing because those good things they do are double edged swords that either end up in badly missed shots or stupid fouls. Sorry, I just want there to be good news about the warriors for a change

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm a Jet, Knicks and Yankees fan. Bad year for me as well.</div>


Yea I guess every year the Yankees dont win the WS its a bad year huh...awww poor Yankees

Ive been waiting 15 years to see the Giants win something..

And atliest the Jets made the playoffs and were competetive...They were inches away from making the championship...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UltimateWarrior:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea I guess every year the Yankees dont win the WS its a bad year huh...awww poor Yankees

Ive been waiting 15 years to see the Giants win something..

And atliest the Jets made the playoffs and were competetive...They were inches away from making the championship...</div>
LOL. Giants and A's fan here. I hope they can revive bay area sports by at least making the playoffs this year. We need at least one good season of bay area sports outside of soccer and arena football!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. Giants and A's fan here. I hope they can revive bay area sports by at least making the playoffs this year. We need at least one good season of bay area sports outside of soccer and arena football!</div>

Giants should have a better shot then A's but who knows...last season I didnt expect anything from either team and they both were 1 game short of the playoffs. Seems like SF made a better effort to bring in good players this offseason...Billy Beane is a good GM tho and has an eye for talent so Im not gonna judge the trades he made until I see how the team does..it hurts to get rid of your best pitchers tho

 

It ain't basketball(but we can say that about the Warriors..) but don't cry over the A's,nobody has more prospects in their farm system. Next year they may be barely a .500 team,but soon they will be coming back strong

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope they play Flores, Biedrens, and Pietrus more. Fans don't go to games to watch aging marginal talent players jack up 3's and get hit with passes in the back of the head. Fisher! Foyle! I can put up with DD because he does at least two things well (rebound, defend in the post) but I haven't seen Fisher or Foyle do more than one good thing because those good things they do are double edged swords that either end up in badly missed shots or stupid fouls. Sorry, I just want there to be good news about the warriors for a change </div>


I couldnt agree with you more custodian
Im anxiously waiting for the "See mully you shouldve played flores and biedrins earlier" threads. Because to be quite honest thats all we have to look foward to this season. flores,biedrins,cabarkapa,pietrus

Its funny because id rather watch 3 young guys make mistakes on the court(and learn from them), then watch derek fisher and foyle make embarassments out of the warriors jeresys, and continue to do the same things because they are "vets"

I play basketball, and one thing i do know that helps with confidence is, the young guys have to be allowed to make msitakes, instead of constantly looking over there shoulders for subs the very minute after they turn the ball over. Its my belief thats pietrus' problem right now, and part of the reason hes playing so scared.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GoldenstWarrior:</div><div class="quote_post">I couldnt agree with you more custodian
Im anxiously waiting for the "See mully you shouldve played flores and biedrins earlier" threads. Because to be quite honest thats all we have to look foward to this season. flores,biedrins,cabarkapa,pietrus

Its funny because id rather watch 3 young guys make mistakes on the court(and learn from them), then watch derek fisher and foyle make embarassments out of the warriors jeresys, and continue to do the same things because they are "vets"

I play basketball, and one thing i do know that helps with confidence is, the young guys have to be allowed to make msitakes, instead of constantly looking over there shoulders for subs the very minute after they turn the ball over. Its my belief thats pietrus' problem right now, and part of the reason hes playing so scared.</div>



This is how I feel almost exactly...Trade away all of the old guys for draft picks and exceptions and let the young horses run!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">

This is how I feel almost exactly...Trade away all of the old guys for draft picks and exceptions and let the young horses run!</div>


and i understand about wanting to win now,yadda yadda yadda.
but seriously, lets be realistic.
were we really going to win in the west with a aging non rebounding uncle cliff playing the 5 and fisher/najera chucking threes? no. we werent.
So why hold on to the dream of making the playoffs.

Now im not a gm and i hope what mullin is doing is playing Dale davis, Uncle cliff, najera and fisher to boost there trade value.
because, Mully and monty are not utilizing what little strengths these guys have to help the team. Whether that be from lack of team direction, or what, we wont know.
[/early morning rant]

 

Winning now pretty much went out the door when we lost 10 games in a row and were in last place of the division. With the All Star break coming up and the trade deadline looming, if we dont trade these guys like Cliff, and DD who are tradeable commodities, we need to say take an early retirement on the bench and help us with these young guys to get them to develop and if we need you to play due to injuries, go out there and have a good time. We will not be able to trade guys like Foyle and Fisher so they need to take the same approach but be more willing to play in limited minutes. We are not going to win, these guys just need to be a positive influence in the locker room and in practice.

 

The warriors have always had really sh---y team direction and our GM's have never had great, proven basketball philosphies. They try to be some other team, but they're not that team because they lack defense or they lack talent. I mean we locked up Murphy and Jrich and now the commitment is toward them. Mullin has to build a team around those guys as the centerpiece. We should be getting players that cover up holes in their game. The offseason should have started with Murphy and Jrich getting extended first if Mullin was worried about losing them in the first place. Their agent, Dan Fegan, plays hardball and there's no good leverage when they are your best players and the team is constantly losing and has no team direction. Instead everything was done ass backwards.

 

I think a lot of signing both Murphy and JRich is not too bad. Mullin took a gamble that JRich would blow up, and with this current team, Murphy is gonna get his points and rebounds. Collectively, they are a bargain. If JRich struggled this season, then Murphy would have to be even a bigger scorer, which would've inflated his numbers even more. I think now, that we have slightly underpaid JRich and Overpaid Murphy, that when Murphy eventually is dealt, we can get good value back for him.

The other good thing, is that Mullin picked up Zarko and Flores who are cheap as cheap can be. My guess is that Mullin wanted Fisher/Flores to be the Forward Combo, JRich/Pietrus at the 2, and Dunleavy/Zarko combo at forward. Unfortunately, Dunleavy isn't nearly as consistent as Mullin hoped he'd be. (Although, I like his tenacity these last few games.) Dealing Murphy with an expiring contract in Cliffy or an underpaid Speedy can get back a little flexibility.

Also, It should be noted that Foyle will play much better if he has a power forward that can actually slow down the 4 he is playing against. I'm not saying that he is a force, but I think by this time next year, it'll be easier to choke down his salary. (Especially if we get backup Center-type production out of Beidrins next season)

So where does this leave the Warriors... In pretty bad shape both capwise and talent-wise. But if Murphy's value is as high as I think it is (Especially in the East) I think we'll be ok. But I still think we should hold off in Judging Mully until after this offseason.

 

Yeah, I think he overpaid for both but not by much. Even this year on the West, both players are at the level of Western All-star power, even if Warriors fans themselves may disagree because of their inability to take the Warriors out of the major slumps. Our major need is a consistent big man. While Murphy collects rebounds like crazy, he's not the big man we can depend on for post scoring. The other needs are a defensive and three point specialist, which Pietrus kind of fills, but he's also a liability in other respects. And finally, we need a smart point guard. While I love Speedy, he gets injured so often, it's getting crazy. We need another backup other than Fisher.

I don't think much will get done this month, but as with CohanHater, I think we should wait until next season. While you can't excuse every season, I think there is still a light at the end of the tunnel for the Warriors. I figured it would be that way at the start of this season. But, you have to set a deadline sometime, and I think next season is a make-or-break for whether the moves paid off.