We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Strenuus, May 16, 2023.

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What are you hoping for with this pick?

  1. Draft Scoot and keep him

    27.6%
  2. Draft Miller and keep him

    28.6%
  3. Draft someone else at 3 and keep him (please specify)

    3.1%
  4. Trade down, but still draft in the lottery

    10.2%
  5. Trade the pick for a starting forward

    30.6%
  1. STOMP

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    No one is seeking perfection in a trade, but I definitely don't want to sell the farm and mortgage the future for someone with a known chronic health issue especially knees, feet and back injuries. Is that really an unreasonable ask?

    I do think if the staff were to nail a 2nd lotto pick that the future would be pretty darned exciting... maybe even moreso then a game of kick the can. I actually enjoy watching talented young guys develop, hell Shaedon last year was a complete thrill even if they didn't win. Do you think the Bulls fans were bored out of their minds watching MJ's first 6 seasons as they matured and put things together?

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    Not sure if this has been posted but this scenario would be pretty interesting.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...k-draft-3-trade-ideas-to-shake-up-the-lottery


    1. Orlando Magic receive: Anfernee Simons and No. 3 pick

      Portland Trail Blazers receive: Wendell Carter Jr., Gary Harris, No. 6 pick and No. 11 pick

    1. San Antonio Spurs receive: Jusuf Nurkić, Keon Johnson and No. 6 pick

      Portland Trail Blazers receive: Keldon Johnson

      Then at pick 11 Portland Trail Blazers (via Magic): Jordan Hawkins, SG, UConn
     
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    Yuck
     
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    Does Brown have known chronic health issues? I know he's been injured, but I didn't know he was like Zion.

    For every MJ example (which was 40 years ago), there are plenty other examples of watching young teams never develop and sucking forever. If you think Sharpe is going to go down as a top 3 player of all-time like MJ, then the path should be to build around him. Also should be noted that Jordan was rookie of the year, over Hakeem his rookie season. Sharpe did not make the all rookie 2nd team behind the likes of Tari Eason. So I'm not sure comparing the two makes a lot of sense.
     
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    I don't like any aspect of this.

    There has been a lot of fan discussion of Simons <=> #11 + Harris (as salary filler)
    That means we are valuing #3 <=> #6 + WCJ.
    Carter is a nice player, but not worth the jump from 6 to 3 IMO.

    Carter is about equal to Nurk as far as an impact player. Carter is a better shooter, but Nurk is bigger and a better 'banger'. I don't mind swapping the two players, but WCJ is not an upgrade.

    I also don't see much in Keldon Johnson. He looks to have potential, but he's kind of loosing that ability to hope for the break out season. There is no way that I would include the #6 in a trade for Johnson.

    Lastly - I REALLY wanted to like Hawkins as a draft pick. I was hoping he'd be a Reggie Miller type. The more I looked into him as a prospect, the less I thought his game will translate to the NBA.
     
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    thats why I asked the question about his knees in the first post you responded to. I know he has said that it's been cleared up and he did play 67 games this year if my memory serves, but I never fully buy what any athlete says about their health. I know he has missed a ton of games due to knee issues over the years. If Portland were to commit much of their future to anyone, I'd expect they'd be pretty darned sure about their health.

    No Sharpe and MJ's career arcs are not mirror images of course. Hell for one SS entered the league 2 years younger then MJ. If you go back and reread my post, I didn't compare them. I took issue with your kick the can characterization of what it would be like watching a team of top young talent develop. I think it would be awesome and hope someday the Blazers don't try for the quick fix... which you might have noticed has never worked for them

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    Jordan averaged 38 minutes per game his rookie season.
    If Sharpe had started every game, averaged 38 minutes per game and taken 20 shots per game, he would have won rookie of the year.
    The bad comparison is Jordan's situation as a rookie and Sharpe's.
     
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    The last great Blazer team was Drexler, Porter, Kersey, Duckworth and Buck. And Uncle Cliffy.
    Duckworth played 51 games out of 65 games as a rookie for Portland, so I'll count him as a Blazer rookie.
    Only Buck didn't start his career in Portland.
    The Blazers got Buck Williams by trading Blazer draftee Sam Bowie and the #12 pick in the 1989 draft.
    If the Blazers had had a crystal ball before that trade, they could have kept Bowie and drafted Shawn Kemp at #12, who was taken with the 17th pick. New Jersey chose Mookie Blaylock.
    Tim Hardaway was also taken after the 12th pick , at 14.
     
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    Yeah those are good points. Wasn't really up to date on Hawkins. He'll probably be the Johnny Davis of the draft.
     
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    I think he’s thinking Ant for Evan Mobley?
     
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    Who?
     
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    He got the Rockets to 65-17, the best record since I don’t know when. His huge stats absolutely lead to wins. The problem is under pressure when he doesn’t put up the big stats and they lose.
     
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    65 wins is the franchise record.
    Next most is 58 wins in 93-94.
     
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    I’ve flip flopped so many times on wanting to trade to wanting to keep the pick. So rare you get a chance to pick in top 3 with a very deep draft I’m leaning towards keeping the pick. If we are trading the pick it’s got to be for all star
     
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    I wonder if Houston would trade the 4th pick for Simons. Or any of the teams in the top 10.
    The Wizards, for example, with the 8th pick. The Blazers could get Taylor Hendricks.
    The Blazers need to upgrade the PF position.
    I guess that would make Dame mad though.
     
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    Yeesh. No, thanks.

    I don't know what that even does for the Blazers.

    It seems like a directionless move, IMO.
     
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    Houston doesn't need guards really. Especially if they're getting Harden.
     
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    You get it.

    When you boil it down, that's really the only sane decision one can come to. This stuff Dame's said is static. White noise. You have to filter it out.

    The ONLY way you trade this asset is if a deal is offered that blows the Blazers away. It won't be any kind of a trade down because there are three players in what I think is a very good draft that are far and away better than any others. It would have to be a trade that involves an all-star either beginning or in the heart of his prime coming to Portland and the only way the Blazers are giving away "sweeteners" to get that player is if it's an absolute elite-level talent.

    If that offer doesn't come down the pipe, the Blazers pick whoever is left of Scoot and Miller and are happy and go to war with that player, who should be a contributor as a rookie. They aren't Nas. They aren't Shaedon. who sat out a year and still was a rotation player and by the end of the year was playing like one of the best rookies in the league. Whoever the Blazers pick is going to come in and play a lot and we should expect them to be on the first all-rookie team.
     
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    There were a few different posts that reminded me how beneficial it was when we got Rasheed. I was using it as an example of what to do.
     
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    The complaint around here since 2015 is that the Blazers haven't mad any big moves. If the Blazers have been trying to do the "quick fix" for the last decade, they've done it in a super stealthy way that looked very much like kicking the can IMO.

    If you, or anyone wants a full rebuild, that's fine. I'm not as interested.
     

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