We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Strenuus, May 16, 2023.

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What are you hoping for with this pick?

  1. Draft Scoot and keep him

    27.6%
  2. Draft Miller and keep him

    28.6%
  3. Draft someone else at 3 and keep him (please specify)

    3.1%
  4. Trade down, but still draft in the lottery

    10.2%
  5. Trade the pick for a starting forward

    30.6%
  1. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    That’s why I think if you use the pick maybe it’s time to move on from the Dame era and start a new one.
     
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  2. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Orrrr..... Crazy thought here, I know.

    But just maybe... some of us are not thrilled about the star potential of the guys available at 3 and feel like we can maximize its value by trading for guys who are all stars/ all nba right now.
     
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  3. PCmor7

    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    But you can't just do the Jedi mind trick on other teams and make them trade us their all-stars/all-NBA players for appropriate value, either.

    Here's another way you're looking at it: You're suggesting Scoot and Miller won't be all-star/all-NBA players. If that's right, what is the incentive for anyone to trade anything worth our while for that pick? Going deeper, you've already narrowed our market to teams that have what WE want.

    Then your solution is to take Schrodinger's Asset -- one we know historically has a good probability of being a Rolls Royce -- and you're going to make it a throw-in for the best forward/wing the Blazers can get.

    You don't value your own resource so you're presuming no one else will value that resource either and therefore you'll give it away for pennies on the dollar. That's bad business and the kind of business that will end up turning you into the worst franchise in the league in no time flat.
     
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  4. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    This psychoanalysis is not necessary. My comment was in response to a post that said everyone is considering trades because of Dame's comments.
     
  5. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    There are 29 other boats available for your consideration... ;)
     
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    But there is for me. The 83-84 Bulls won 27 games, w/MJ they improved to winning 38 the following year. The last two years the Blazers won 27 and 33 games. Despite having a great individual talent on their roster, both teams were/are no where close to contenders. I'm sure both fan bases wanted/want their club to be champs, but that has nothing to do with it.

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  7. PCmor7

    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    There was no psychoanalysis in my post. It was a breakdown of the weaknesses of your process and likely outcomes. Tying that to your state of mind certainly was not my intent and I don't know where you seeing this in my post.
     
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    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    You're bargaining against yourself.
     
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    If I’m Jody, and if Joe can’t swing a deal for #3 after being clear his priority objective is surrounding Dame with veteran help in order to contend within Dames shelve life, Im pissed. Sure it will be easy to just say no opportunities for deal so give me snkthdr chance by trading Dame or just stick with drafted player and see what happens. This is Joes chance to prove to Jody & Bert he is an aggressive, make it happen Gm.
     
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    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    There'll be opportunities to surround Dame with veteran help. Or, at least, veterans ... it's the "help" part that's the issue. It's about getting players that can come in and make the Blazers winners. It's also about getting proper value -- that third pick is a valuable asset and too many people are acting like it's a throw-in.

    The Blazers almost certainly would be able to get OG or maybe even someone like Ingram for that pick. Both the Raptors and Pels very likely might ask for more along with the third pick, which really isn't in line with what those players are worth. Do those acquisitions make the Blazers anything more than marginally better? Do they advance the chances we'll contend during Dame's mythical "shelf life" if we're sending out Ant and Nurk, too, along with future firsts for one of those players and filler? Maybe, although I'd say probably not.

    Again, just like I said above, the Blazers are bargaining against themselves. This attitude that the pick MUST be traded doesn't help the Blazers trade the pick or get optimum value for it.

    We've put all kinds of conditions on how we have to go about becoming good, and we've done it unnecessarily, and, if it fails, we'll only have ourselves and our own ridiculous desperation to blame.
     
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    There is no doubt in mind a deal will be available. Jody will be talked into thinking it is a good trade. (at least in the beginning) The question is how many of us are going to like it? No move will make us all happy.
     
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    More cold water thrown on any hope of getting Bridges:
    Brooklyn owes unprotected picks to Houston in 2024 and 2026 and unprotected swaps in 2025 and 2027. Thus, Brooklyn trading its good players and tanking would do a lot more for the Rockets than the Nets. Brooklyn’s likely best path forward is to muddle along with a Bridges-centric team, especially since he’s signed through 2026 to one of the league’s best contracts.
    – via John Hollinger @ The Athletic
     
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    Or.......because the Nets are screwed by not having their own picks they will need to start over with young players and other teams' picks. I think you can make a case for trading Bridges for even younger players and picks. Brooklyn is a city that can draw free agents that could help in a few years.
     
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    I hear you. There were also some major differences between the 84'-85' Bulls and this current Blazer teams. For every example of a 30 win team making a big jump in two years by simply standing pat with their young core, there are more examples of the young core treading water.

    Ultimately, I hope you are right, and that the Blazers have a young core destined to win 6 championships down the road together. Because of the talent, CBA, and market, I think anything close to that is a long shot.
     
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    For this reason, I've assumed tanking makes no sense for the Nets. However, on the same hand, if the Nets know they have no control over their picks for the next 4 drafts, their best chance is trade for a top pick.

    The point about Bridges contract being an asset is a major plus for the Nets if they're looking to build around him via FA.

    Going to be tough for Cronin to pull of a great deal.
     
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    I don't necessarily agree. I think a lot of these articles and quotes coming out are reporters carrying water for Marks to help drive up the price. Bridges is a great player, but he's 26 now and not a potential FRANCHSIE player. With no control over their own draft for the next few years, the opportunity to get a Top 3 pick in a 3 player draft is the best chance they will have to control their own destiny and add a premium young talent for many years...factor in you are also getting a 23 year old who is one of the best shooters in the NBA on a nice contract...it's a no brainer. This time of the year it is all about who is writing what and who is likely feeding them info, etc.
     
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    not really surprising

     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    I don't think it's going to be that tough. The value of that 3 rd pick is beginning to skyrocket. We will all know more once tMiller & Scoot come in for their workouts. I'm sure Dame will be a part of those to see if there's some chemistry there. If there is, it's likely the Blazers will keep the pick, and look at a potential Ant/ unlocked picks deal as well.
     
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    We 100% agreenthat the majority of stuff written between now and the draft will have some agenda behind it. We also agree this is their best chance at the #3 pick, as I said as much in my post.

    It's still a tricky situation for the Nets (and the Blazers).
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Well no Scooty for you Brokeland. Enjoy those 30 wins.
     
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