We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Strenuus, May 16, 2023.

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What are you hoping for with this pick?

  1. Draft Scoot and keep him

    27.6%
  2. Draft Miller and keep him

    28.6%
  3. Draft someone else at 3 and keep him (please specify)

    3.1%
  4. Trade down, but still draft in the lottery

    10.2%
  5. Trade the pick for a starting forward

    30.6%
  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Great. Which all NBA guys are coming, and how much more will we need to throw in to make up for the shitty 3rd pick that won’t amount to shit…apparently
     
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  2. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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    Still 28 days to the draft.
     
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    I merely liked that a member of the media showed love for Dame and said basically he could bring in a kings ransom for Portland if they make him available. I have only heard biased fans speculate on what kind of return Dame can bring. Ive suggested that teams that would be interested in him have little to offer and that the best move is for Dame to play out his contract in Portland while we draft BPA at 3. I'm not emotional about it at all. Personally I would love to draft Miller if Dame stays. Scoot if Dame gets traded. But we do not control which player of the two we will get. As for Mannix being an oracle, no. I don't think any writer or fan is an oracle. Never led you to believe that otherwise. Just said it was nice to hear a writer value Dame so highly.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    As I said on another thread I don't see this being likely. The Blazers still would have free agency to flip those same trade assets as well as potential more players available for trade. I see the Blazers taking BPA and trying to still trade with Dame. Now once we get into July and the free agency/trade market starts to dry up - that is when its possible the team flips to considerations of trading Dame.

    Normally we don't see drafted players traded beyond draft night. I'd say the Blazers/Dame uncertainty as well as the consensus of whom to draft at #3 could make this an atypical situation.
     
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  5. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Fair enough. I still think embiid is untouchable this year no matter what, which is all were considering. Wether harden leaves or not doesn't change anything, IMO.
     
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    Technically the video does not have Mannix saying the trade deadline, it alludes to August. But IMO I do think the trade deadline is more likely if we can't upgrade the roster. Teams might be more desperate to give up picks if they think Dame can get them over the hump. And Portland will be more willing to make a move if what they do this summer does not work out.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Proposals for Brown/Siakam are coming out every day from non Portland nba media. Didn't realize they're all talking about these ideas because of Dame's comments. Are you just choosing to dig your head in the sand?
     
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    I'd say the conclusion would be from very basic logic - Dame is better than players traded for a haul such as Gobert, and he was just selected to an All-NBA team - possibly after his best season ever.

    Why do you think Dame would not be traded for a haul? I don't see any logic to support this argument.
     
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  9. Mediocre Man

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    No need to dig when it’s already there. I mean if the media says it……
     
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    Based on?
     
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    I can't tell if you think #3 is "nothing special" or not. Do you? If it is then we keep it but building through the draft does not seem to help.
    Even if we look at all the #1 picks in the draft since 2010......most of them did nothing to help the team who drafted them contend.

    2021 / Paolo Banchero (Orlando Magic) | Full Draft

    2021 | No. 1 pick — Cade Cunningham (Detroit Pistons) | Full Draft

    2020 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Edwards (Minnesota Timberwolves) | Full Draft

    2019 | No. 1 pick — Zion Williamson (New Orleans Pelicans) | Full Draft

    2018 | No. 1 pick — Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns) | Full Draft

    2017 | No. 1 pick — Markelle Fultz (Philadelphia 76ers) | Full Draft

    2016 | No. 1 pick — Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers) | Full Draft

    2015 | No. 1 pick — Karl-Anthony Towns (Minnesota Timberwolves) | Full Draft

    2014 | No. 1 pick — Andrew Wiggins (Cleveland Cavaliers) | Full Drafts

    2013 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Bennett (Cleveland Cavaliers) | Full Draft

    2012 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets) | Full Draft

    2011 | No. 1 pick — Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers) | Full Draft

    2010 | No. 1 pick — John Wall (Washington Wizards) | Full Draft
     
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    Defense wins championships?
    No available teams wanting Dame with youth and picks?
    Wings and bigs are much more valuable?
     
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    This franchise’s best player we’re all drafted by us
     
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    Not sure that helps the case to trade them then.
     
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    Correct, it's why I said by the Trade Deadline and not at the Trade Deadline. It could be anywhere before that. Typically, more trades take place closer to the deadline, but there might be something before the start of the season as well.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I think the second one is the most significant. In order for Dame to be traded for a haul, there would need to be a team that would actually have a "haul" of assets to offer, and still feel like Dame's addition could elevate them to contender status.

    I have yet to find said team.
     
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    Not even Portland
     
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    that's fine, and he did praise Dame

    I do think there's a big disconnect between praising Dame, talking about the Gobert trade, and then talking about Philly being a target. I've looked at what Philly has available and it's essentially Maxey and filler. That is light years away from what Utah got for Gobert...or what they got for Mitchell
     
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    and you're wishful thinking fantasy logic is better?

    give up the Houston fantasy...they won't trade for Dame when they can sign Harden without giving up a thing. And they have already been-there/done-that on pairing Harden with Westbrook

    And I don't believe for a single micro-second the Knicks' front office would send out 4 unprotected first's and 3 unprotected swaps for Dame, not after signing Brunson (who wasn't that far below Dame statistically this season). Or that Brooklyn would load up Portland with unprotected 1st's, which are year's away, by the way

    you're looking at the most lop-sided trade(s) recently and even adding to them for your Dame projections. Dame isn't 6'9-7'0, and he's not 27-29. He's 6'2 and he's 33; and he's owed 54M/year over the next 4 years including over 63M when he's 37. It's kind of ironic that many of you have been pointing at the 122M extension as a huge negative factor on the Blazers, using it to justify Dame-trades and criticize him for signing it, then turn right around and talk about his great value without mentioning that same huge negative factor of that extension he'd take with him

    anyway, while you guys are fantasizing about Dame trades using Gobert's trade as the template, I've been looking at the trades of other aging guards the last 15 months...like, Harden:

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    or Kyrie:

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    or Chis Paul to the Suns:

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    notice how all those trades only have one protected first coming in, along with role players; not 7 unprotected first's or 6 or a 4th pick made 3 weeks before Dame can be traded plus a passel more unprotected picks and young players. Why are those trades the magic template for Dame trades when the trades of Harden, Kyrie, and CP3 aren't? where is the superior logic in that?
     

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