While we did get Swift. There are some HUGE holes we haven't addressed. We still have the deepest, slowest guard rotation in the league. Luther Head is a rookie, who is going to struggle. We still have NO SG's, and have yet to find a back up for Tmac. Every team in the Division is getting better, I'm not rooting against Carol Dawson, but the pressure is still on. Our current roster is good, but isn't close to being a contender. For one, I want to see David Wesley, Weatherspoon, Moochie, Charlie Ward, Baker, all gone. I understand that it's not easy, but who knows. It's time to start making some moves!!!!!
id aggree with weatherspoon moochie and ward and baker by why wesley? seriously i dont know why you dislike him so much? he did his thang and i think that he is important to the team, and you think that the rockets arent a contender, then take a better look, last season our team has had many injuries and the team wasnt able to play with each other much due to teh injuries and trades.and we still made it to the playoffs, people said we were slow and couldnt run we split teh series with pheonix. come on now dude you gotta be realistic, our team doesnt have HUGE holes, we might have a few gaps here and there but we are a championship contender team.
wesley is awesome. not the best, but great for this team. and ya, i still dont understand why we still have weatherspoon, moochie, ward, and baker. can someone pls explain that to me? ya we got holes, but atleast we got a strong front court...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">While we did get Swift. There are some HUGE holes we haven't addressed. We still have the deepest, slowest guard rotation in the league. Luther Head is a rookie, who is going to struggle. We still have NO SG's, and have yet to find a back up for Tmac. Every team in the Division is getting better, I'm not rooting against Carol Dawson, but the pressure is still on. Our current roster is good, but isn't close to being a contender. For one, I want to see David Wesley, Weatherspoon, Moochie, Charlie Ward, Baker, all gone. I understand that it's not easy, but who knows. It's time to start making some moves!!!!!</div> Your overexaggerating again... I agree, the guard rotation is pretty slow, but it'll do. We still need a better point guard that can set up plays for McGrady and Yao. Head might not necessarily struggle, we really won't know yet until he plays his first NBA game. We do have shooting guards- Sura, Wesley, and probably Barry (I'm pretty sure he'll be resigned). We do have a backup for McGrady (Bowen), but thats not really the first concern right now- our main man plays around forty minutes anyway. In the division, no team has gotten better. New Orleans isnt a threat to us and Dallas isn't better (might actually lose Finley). Meanwhile, Memphis has gotten considerably worse (lost Posey, Williams, Swift, and other players only to get Bobby Jackson and Eddie Jones). San Antonio has stayed the same. Chill out. I'd actually say the team is pretty close to being a contender- but I agree with you on the fact that some of those guys need to be traded. A lot of them will be a year older, and maybe even worse. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and ya, i still dont understand why we still have weatherspoon, moochie, ward, and baker. can someone pls explain that to me?</div> Trade bait for later on in the season. Trust me, with expiring contracts, you can go far in the NBA world.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Your overexaggerating again... We still need a better point guard that can set up plays for McGrady and Yao. Head might not necessarily struggle, we really won't know yet until he plays his first NBA game.</div> HE'S A ROOKIE!! To expect him not to struggle is unrealistic. Especially after watching summer league, he's going to have problems being that he's a rookie. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> We do have shooting guards- Sura, Wesley, and probably Barry (I'm pretty sure he'll be resigned). .</div> Right now, our shooting guard position is critical. Sura isn't nearly quick enough to play 2guard (especially comin off surgery), and Wesley simply isn't tall or athletic enough to be effective long term. What does that mean? We will get out quicked and beat of the dribble every game, forcing Yao to pick up stupid fouls because they can't stay in front of they're man. I hope Barry resigns, but you never know. We've already lost one of our best shooters. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> We do have a backup for McGrady (Bowen), but thats not really the first concern right now- our main man plays around forty minutes anyway.</div> If your happy with our best player not having a reliable back up, then what can I say. You act like playing 40 mins a game is beneficial. By the time playoffs come, he'll be burned out. I'm simply thinking championship, and your just happy with being a playoff team. Bowen is a garbage player, he probably wouldn't even make the playoff roster on any other team. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> In the division, no team has gotten better. New Orleans isnt a threat to us and Dallas isn't better (might actually lose Finley). Meanwhile, Memphis has gotten considerably worse (lost Posey, Williams, Swift, and other players only to get Bobby Jackson and Eddie Jones). San Antonio has stayed the same. Chill out. .</div> San Antonio is always better. Memphis just signed Stoudamire and got Bobby Jackson, which will allow them to run circles around Sura and Wesley. Bobby Jackson has always given the Rockets problems, so don't be suprised. Dallas is close to signing Hunter from Pheonix. So they've gotten more athletic, stronger and have added somebody that have given Yao fits. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Trade bait for later on in the season. Trust me, with expiring contracts, you can go far in the NBA world.</div> I don't agree with that assumption either. The best time is get rid of the expiring contract is now. Instead of changing the whole team around at midseason, I would much rather have my team together from the start. Last year we pulled it off, but I would avoid taking that risk again. You have proven that you change you're positions more than John Kerry. It's hard tryin to figure out what you want. At the same time, you attack everything that makes sense. Van Gundy says he plays for championships, but you seem to be happy with "what'll do". My expectations for the Rockets are very high, so I want to see us get better.
This is even if head gets playing time...last time i looked JVG doesnt play rookies, and i think people are hating on wesley because he was in a slump towards the end of the season but i think if he gets his touch back we should keep him. We should have 5 guards Sura, Head, Wesley, Barry, and i hope Damon. I dont really mind if we trade James granted he can light it up i just think he is way to streaky and the way he lost his cool in game 7 makes me uneasy. But i do agree there is a problem with backing up TMac unless JVG can figure out a 3 gaurd rotation we might consider looking into another player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">HE'S A ROOKIE!! To expect him not to struggle is unrealistic. Especially after watching summer league, he's going to have problems being that he's a rookie.</div> He didn't know what his role was in the summer league. Its practically like a pick up game since its all for show and is used by the NBA to make money. He'll struggle in the first couple games, I'll give you that, but once he figures out what his role is I'm sure he'll be solid. Maybe like a Beno Udrih? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Right now, our shooting guard position is critical. Sura isn't nearly quick enough to play 2guard (especially comin off surgery), and Wesley simply isn't tall or athletic enough to be effective long term. What does that mean? We will get out quicked and beat of the dribble every game, forcing Yao to pick up stupid fouls because they can't stay in front of they're man. I hope Barry resigns, but you never know. We've already lost one of our best shooters.</div> Wesley was effective enough to play it last year. He did a decent job on taller guys and is a great defender. I'm not too big on him either but he works. Currently, the team is poised to win the championship now, not long term. We're not a rebuilding team. McGrady and Yao are going to hit their primes in a year or even next year maybe. Sura might not be quick, but he does have other advantages. For an example, he can post up the two guards smaller than him and take advantage of their size. Sura was able to hold up against the faster point guards of the league, what makes he think he can't do it against shooting guards? Besides, the point guard situation is in more need of help. For now, the shooting guard position would do until we fix the point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If your happy with our best player not having a reliable back up, then what can I say. You act like playing 40 mins a game is beneficial. By the time playoffs come, he'll be burned out. I'm simply thinking championship, and your just happy with being a playoff team. Bowen is a garbage player, he probably wouldn't even make the playoff roster on any other team.</div> How much time would you want McGrady on the court? Thirty? Thirty five? All I'm saying is that it isn't the first priority right now. Stop assuming my opinion on things, by no means do I think Bowen is a reliable backup, but I'm fine with him just playing eight minutes. Would you say McGrady was burned out so to speak last year in the playoffs? He's an athletic player and knows when to drive in and when to pop up a jumper- so he won't get too much injuries. Of course, I can't predict the future, take it for what its worth. After we acquire a better point guard through trade preferably, I would focus in on getting a swingman. I have a feeling Barry's going to come back who can fill in at the three but like you said, we don't know right now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">San Antonio is always better. Memphis just signed Stoudamire and got Bobby Jackson, which will allow them to run circles around Sura and Wesley. Bobby Jackson has always given the Rockets problems, so don't be suprised. Dallas is close to signing Hunter from Pheonix. So they've gotten more athletic, stronger and have added somebody that have given Yao fits. </div> San Antonio is better, true, but you originally said that all the division teams were improving. Spurs didn't get any better or worse. Stoudamire addressed the issue, saying that he's not with Memphis yet. The Houston Chronicle was wrong. Bobby Jackson is constantly injured and I don't think he will have too much of an impact on the team. Afterall, they lost Posey, Williams, and Swift to be rewarded with Bobby Jackson and Eddie Jones. That isn't too much of an upgrade. Until Hunter to Dallas to officially, I say Dallas is the same. Hunter's rumored to go to Philadelphia, New Jersey, and even Atlanta. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't agree with that assumption either. The best time is get rid of the expiring contract is now. Instead of changing the whole team around at midseason, I would much rather have my team together from the start. Last year we pulled it off, but I would avoid taking that risk again.</div> Fine whatever, as long as we get a good player in return. I personally don't care when we do it, just as long as we do it for the right player. Its not like I would prefer to do a trade in the midseason over the now. Its just usually there's more players available that can be traded for. Take for an example Chris Webber when he went to Philadelphia. Would you have pictured him going to another team during the offseason? No. If there was a trade for say Michael Finley right now and we give up crap players while in the future there would be a trade for Chucky Atkins with us trading good players, I would of course take the one now. The bottom line is that the actual trade matters more than when we trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You have proven that you change you're positions more than John Kerry. It's hard tryin to figure out what you want. At the same time, you attack everything that makes sense. Van Gundy says he plays for championships, but you seem to be happy with "what'll do". My expectations for the Rockets are very high, so I want to see us get better.</div> What did I change my opinion on other than Finley? What do I want? Lets play GM here. First, sign Barry. Next, I would trade for a good court leader point guard that can dish out assists and maybe ten points a game. Preferably, some expiring contracts and maybe Wesley (good player, but is interchangeable with Barry). After that, I would sign a swingman that can play shooting guard and small forward to relieve McGrady of duties and put on some offense. How do I seem happy with what'll do? I just have a set of priorities for the team to do. You don't run before you walk. I actually had high expectations for the team last year- to make it to the Western Conference Finals. I keep it real and try to not be bias about things.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">What did I change my opinion on other than Finley? </div> Not only did you change you're opinion, you CLEARLY forgot you changed it. You didn't even realize that you changed you're opinion until I mentioned to you <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually wanted Finley in Houston...</div> So you wanted Finley.....So I read you're post, and this is exactly where you flip flopped <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> . I don't really want him. He's aging- in fact, he's already pretty old so I'd doubt he'd be able to keep up with the faster shooting guards of the league. And at this point of his career, Finley's going in the decline. Finley's defense isn't great either so it would probably allow the better shooting guards of the league to explode on him ...</div> Did you still think he was aging, slow, declining and had no defense when you "changed your mind". Or did he all of sudden get some youth?
What part of not understanding the Amnesty clause do you not understand. I didn't bring up that I changed my opinion because it would have been stupid. Hey guys, I switching to pro Finley. That would have been insulting everyones intelligence. Its not like I'm expressing all my thoughts in my posts. How do you know I clearly forgot my original thoughts on Finley? Because I didn't post about him aging anymore? And did you even read my whole spiel about opening up to new ideas? Apparently you didn't take the advice. Oh yeah, and the only thing you can comment on is how someone can change opinions on things? I guess you've got nothing to say anymore about the Rockets making more moves.
Our weakest spots are definitely our one and two spot, but that doesnt mean we got to go out and do something stupid. Derrick Anderson is good two but is making nine mil. per, and is injury prone. Finley stands to recieve less money due to Dallas having to pick up some of his salary but Finley can't play D, and is getting pretty old. Do we really need more of the same type of players (Sura-injury prone and Barry and Wesley alittle long in the tooth)? I think if we cant get a good point gaurd this year then maybe we should wait until next year when the expiring contracts of our scrub players are up and then we make a BIG move. IMO we are still one out of the three teams in the west to take the conference just with the aquisition of Swift... Whadayasay <font color="red">Do not make things personal. This is your first warning. ~Trip</font>
Derek has been waived, so we'd prolly giveh im the LLE. I think what asianx means is that he didn't like Finley with the original contract, but at a cheap LLE price, he would be worth it.
If we could get him at the lle that would be great, he would have to be our starter over Wesley, but Wesley would be a great backup. Does anyone know if he is actually interested in playing for us
This forum sure has gone downhill since the regular season, we hardly ever had fights or arguements and now whenever I check this forum theres at least one going on, damn! what's with all these new people being unable to accept others opinions and disrespect them when they disagree.. Who cares if AznxBaller changed his opinion on Finley! That's what we're here for! If you have in your mind that you aren't going to change your opinion on something no matter what then what's the point of arguing!? That's like punching a brick wall and expecting it to say stop! Rock4life, so far from what i've seen you like to try and change peoples opinions on things, Correct? That's fine...But when someone tries to change yours it's all out war! Please take it easy! don't need to try and make the other person appear stupid just post your opinion thats all! If this keeps up I see us losing alot of members...
^^^ Let's keep things intelligent people and not resort to personal attacks. I've already had to edit two posts and if things get any worse I'll close this thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think what asianx means is that he didn't like Finley with the original contract, but at a cheap LLE price, he would be worth it.</div> Exactly what I've been trying to say. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If we could get him at the lle that would be great, he would have to be our starter over Wesley, but Wesley would be a great backup. Does anyone know if he is actually interested in playing for us</div> No, I'm not sure he has shown any interest in any team except maybe the Bulls.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dan Le:</div><div class="quote_post">Who cares if AznxBaller changed his opinion on Finley! That's what we're here for! If you have in your mind that you aren't going to change your opinion on something no matter what then what's the point of arguing!? That's like punching a brick wall and expecting it to say stop! !...</div> When your in the heat of the argument and you say "next time read my posts before you make a comment!!!" and I read your posts and you contradict yourself, that's you're fault. He TOLD ME to go do it, so that falls directly on him. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dan Le:</div><div class="quote_post"> Rock4life, so far from what i've seen you like to try and change peoples opinions on things, Correct? That's fine...But when someone tries to change yours it's all out war! !...</div> Relax........I simply state my opinion which alot of people happen to agree with. I encourage everybody to state they're opinion, it's a free country. I haven't disrespected anybody, or said anything offensive besides maybe "flip flop" lol. I for one, don't mind hearing somebody's opinion, but for some reason people attack mine, and we debate it. That's fine! I mentioned Anx attacks my opinions but hasn't had any quality alternatives. He told me to "read his post before commenting", and I found that he totally contradicted hisself in another posts. That's fine. Don't get mad at me. I stick by all my views, making myself an easy target. We're all Rocket fans, so I like hearing other people's opinions . Aslong as you can stick by them Thank you
Rock4life, your problem is that while you state your opinion and listen to others, you seem to have some vendetta on making people see eye to eye with you. It's all good when you have a mature debate that brings something new every single argument with good facts to back you up, but if the entire argument includes you repeating yourself, that's a different story. You see rock, all you do is come up with a good point, and then stay with it and try to force that into people. You don't accept no for an answer, and that's why you seem to be involved in so many arguments. Whether or not you actually start the argument isn't the issue, its about noticing that you some how get into them, and you must find out how you can stop that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dakeem1:</div><div class="quote_post">Rock4life, your problem is that while you state your opinion and listen to others, you seem to have some vendetta on making people see eye to eye with you. It's all good when you have a mature debate that brings something new every single argument with good facts to back you up, but if the entire argument includes you repeating yourself, that's a different story..</div> My problem is I say things some people don't want to hear. I haven't called anybody's comments "ignorant" or "stupid" like some people have done. So I don't have a "vendetta" against anybody, but that's you're only defense for me "shutting down" your good friend Anx. I like everybody, and encourage a healthy debate. But if you and others challenge my position with weak opinions, then I will call you out. You shouldn't take it personal dakeem, we're all adults here
Like most of you I wanted the Rockets to make some more moves after the CBA was signed, but now that I think about it I think they are doing the right thing by waiting. The reason I say this is that there is no telling who will be available now that teams have the option to waive a player with the amnesty clause. We already have the issue of having little to know $$ left this offseason, we don't want to jump the gun and end up missing out on a better player willing to take less since he will already be drawing a salary from another team. And i also remember us Rocket fans getting a little uneasy last year about the same thing and CD ended up signing Sura and Ward (I'm still trying to forgive the ward thing..lol)
