Islam has been in the media a lot since 9/11, Israel/Palestine, and the Iraq war. What are your thoughts on some excerpts from the Quran and Hadiths? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(Quran 4:3)YUSUFALI: If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(Quran 4:34)SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(Quran 5:38) YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">19:27-38 YUSUF ALI translation At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! 28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"</div> Aaron was the brother of Moses. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Quran (5:51) SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.</div> Quran source: USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts Hadiths: All are selections from Sahih Bukhari (usually considered the best collection of traditions on Mohammed) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:</div><div class="quote_post">... Apostle said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her."... </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 4, Book 54, Number 540: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362: Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again) . He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They ...</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 7, Book 62, Number 110: Narrated Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I bought a cushion having on it pictures (of animals). When Allah's Apostle saw it, he stood at the door and did not enter. I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I repent to Allah and His Apostle. What sin have I committed?' Allah's Apostle said. "What is this cushion?" I said, "I have bought it for you so that you may sit on it and recline on it." Allah's Apostle said, "The makers of these pictures will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, 'Give life to what you have created (i.e., these pictures).' " The Prophet added, "The Angels of (Mercy) do not enter a house in which there are pictures (of animals)." </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 7, Book 62, Number 132: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day." </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 7, Book 71, Number 664: Narrated Saud: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "If Somebody takes seven 'Ajwa dates in the morning, neither magic nor poison will hurt him that day." </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 8, Book 81, Number 774: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah curses a man who steals an egg and gets his hand cut off, or steals a rope and gets his hands cut off." Al-A'mash said, "People used to interpret the Baida as an iron helmet, and they used to think that the rope may cost a few dirhams." </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17: Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 9, Book 89, Number 321: Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet used to take the Pledge of allegiance from the women by words only after reciting this Holy Verse:--(60.12) "..that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah." (60.12) And the hand of Allah's Apostle did not touch any woman's hand except the hand of that woman his right hand possessed. (i.e. his captives or his lady slaves). </div><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 4, Book 52, Number 46: Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." </div> Source for Bukhari Hadiths: Islamic Society of North America I'm interested in reading any discussion.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Islam is a religion of peace.</div> What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.</div> Another sheltered, ignorant, American! No wonder everyone hate us! The fundamentalists, the extremely small percentage of Muslims who are violent, they are not representative of the actual religion the same way Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church are not representative of most Christians.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.</div> Dude...that's just messed up. It's not fair to base an opinion on a certain percentage of a group. Would you single out a certain Christain, Jew, Baptist...and base your opinion of that Religion by the acts of that individual?
People that think this religion is evil and all that crap are just clueless and careless. That's alright, you don't have to care. I'm not religious myself and I don't practice or follow any, but I learn what I can. Those extemist Islamic people don't even know much about their own religion obviously. Why? Well, I clearly remember reading that you're allowed to kill your enemies, but not any innocent. What do the Islamic terrorists mostly do? Kill the innocent. Doesn't even make any sense, they're just lost and brainwashed. They believe that if they die for their causes that virgin women will await them in the afterlife. Right, right. My personal thoughts about Islam? Just another religion. Very interesting to read about and I respect the interest and beliefs. However, I don't respect the individuals that try to force it onto others. That goes for any Religion. <div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Another sheltered, ignorant, American! No wonder everyone hate us!</div> He's from Australia.
People that think this religion is evil and all that crap are just clueless and careless. That's alright, you don't have to care. I'm not religious myself and I don't practice or follow any, but I learn what I can. Those extemist Islamic people don't even know much about their own religion obviously. Why? Well, I clearly remember reading that you're allowed to kill your enemies, but not any innocent. What do the Islamic terrorists mostly do? Kill the innocent. Doesn't even make any sense, they're just lost and brainwashed. They believe that if they die for their causes that virgin women will await them in the afterlife. Right, right. My personal thoughts about Islam? Just another religion. Very interesting to read about and I respect the interest and beliefs. However, I don't respect the individuals that try to force it onto others. That goes for any Religion. <div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Another sheltered, ignorant, American! No wonder everyone hate us!</div> He's from Australia.
What sucks about all of this is that the ones that are going out and committing the suicide bombings and etc. are all young teenagers. Unfortunately, in our countries young kids are taken and brainwashed at a very young age and raised in that environment, just as M Two One said. My thoughts obviously are Pro Islam, since I am a Muslim. I understand my religion and know that the stuff that goes on out there, the crap that's in the media, it's all wrong. The people that go commit suicide "in the name of Islam" are all wrong. Yes if you're a Martyr and you die fighting for your religion and protecting it from the enemy you get to Heaven, but not by blowing yourself up and killing innocent people. Just FYI, suicide is forbidden in Islam.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.</div> Okay. You need to hold up there buddy. So you think Muslims are a bunch of terrorist because of actions commited by a few idiots? You saying that makes you more of an idiot than those commiting suicide by blowing themselves up. You need to watch what you're saying before you say something. In Afghanistan for example, parents send their kids to this place to learn about Quran and Islam. Now these little kids have no knowledge except the knowledge of Islam. Older people who want violence in the world, go to these little kids and they start teaching them that if you commit suicide you'll go to heaven. So when they are all grown up, they have this in their mind. They are totally brain-washed. When they are grown up, they are told to blow themselves up so they can go to heaven. And that's the reason these kids especially young adults are the people who you'd see hijack planes and all that other crap. So are you going to blame other Muslims and call them terrorists for actions commited by some idiots?
I have nothing against Muslims or Arabs. Just against the ones who kill innocent people all of the time.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.</div> That is the most ignorant and stupidest post I have ever read on any forum. For a few people's actions, you blame the whole society of people who believe in Islam? You need to really grow up, bro.
<div class="quote_poster">kobimel Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have nothing against Muslims or Arabs. Just against the ones who kill innocent people all of the time.</div> So do we Muslims. None of us like what Osama and Saddam Hussein have done over the past few years. They are just ruining the name of Islam, just like 95 percent of the media.
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So do we Muslims. None of us like what Osama and Saddam Hussein have done over the past few years. They are just ruining the name of Islam, just like 95 percent of the media.</div> This is not tue. Most would be a better word to use there, belive me. No offense, every religion has their "crazies."
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is not tue. Most would be a better word to use there, belive me. No offense, every religion has their "crazies."</div> Well that's basically what I meant. Maybe 90-98 hate them. This song by Lupe Fiasco speaks greatly about Islam: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(Clip from Farenheit 911) Awootho billahee min shaytaan nirrajeeme bismillah hir Rahman neer raheem (Athaan) This is one's for all my brothers and sisters who died in Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan and right here in America (Jesus Walks) Abraham Talked Muhammad Talked And Moses split the sea (Jesus Walk with me) I ain't tryin to profit of the prophets so this one's for free G's up along with Muhammad and Jesus In the Quran they call him Isa <font size=""3"">Don't think Osama and sadaam are is our leada We pray for peace, but the drama intrigues us </font> All, so we fall for the illusions of the beast So instead of tryin to teach we show our teeth Saying God, different beliefs Hijabs, Sunday clothes, yamika, kufi, same mission beneath We all tryin to get to where the sufferin ends In front of the Most High bein judged for our sins Can front for the Most High, so the struggle Continues You, every bird, bird and tree, me, her and me We virtually on the same boat With the same goats, on the same sea Tryin to stay afloat, and put the devil in the yolk With a couple of God's quotes (CHORUS) ATHAN (astaghfriullah) And to the sisters and the mothers of ours Who cover theyselves cause they're lovers of God The Creator of the worlds, Sculptor of the stars, During Hajj we walk, through Ramadaan we starve Though you not eatin, there's a feedin of the mind A defeatin of the demons, a seein? of the signs A leanin on the lines from the surahs Getting purer, God deemed it unclean (Ther's no eatin of the swine) Nor drinkin' of the wine We all been to the wind, so I send out a message to my kind I'm Cordial to Mr Norfull, Mrs. Adam you're the theme song when I'm battling* Creb flow, player whats happenin I can hear the truth in your rappins' (No) Sex before you marry No grudges You should be carry no lyin Not supposed to be gamblin' CHORUS ( I know it sounds familiar) We all the same man It's all a game The devil hate each and every one of us exactly the same ( I wanna walk like Jesus, talk like jesus SAW) You know (uh) And To my Akh's tryin to stay on their deen It gets mean especially when u stay on the scene And at the same try to stay out of trouble But don't forget the blessing's in the struggle The Most Forgiving will forgive it if you stay repentant And hustle You gotta stay on your salats, your zakats, your Quran To my homies and miskeen Astagfurallah, Allah forgive us all For we all are sinners Bless us to be among the winners When it ends But until then please strengthen the mission within our hearts All praise is due to God (Amen) Tellin it how it was taught me I ain't tryin to sell it can be brought for free This is how it is Now how it ought to be Muhammad talk to me Jesus walk with me I hope?. (CHORUS) </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">In Afghanistan for example, parents send their kids to this place to learn about Quran and Islam. Now these little kids have no knowledge except the knowledge of Islam. Older people who want violence in the world, go to these little kids and they start teaching them that if you commit suicide you'll go to heaven. So when they are all grown up, they have this in their mind. They are totally brain-washed. When they are grown up, they are told to blow themselves up so they can go to heaven. And that's the reason these kids especially young adults are the people who you'd see hijack planes and all that other crap.</div> It's not just in Afghanistan Umair. Even in Pakistan and India and all other Islamic countries. You see it mostly in the 3rd world countries because their lack of education. Parents don't know where to send their kids for school or what a proper education should be like. They figure that "Hey, our kid will learn about Islam. What a great thing." Little do they realize that the so called "teachers" are extremists and what not. I'm not saying that all of them are. Just unfortunate that they influence little children so much, many of which think what they are learning is the right way.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I hope the song isn't actually spoken as "Don't think Osama and sadaam are is our leada."</div> Thats a typo from the lyric site.
Umair, I would pay attention to Monty, he's right. More then 40 percent of Muslim children in extremely poor sections are taught to hate and kill. They're brainwashed from the beginning of their lives. I remember a friend of mine (RIP) who was in the middle-east and called me from there telling me that some children in certain areas are yelling at the troops in their language, "death to American patrol, Allah will destroy you in the afterlife." Does that read anything to you like you learned about Allah? Of course not, but these poor children are taught that your Religion is about fighting and killing the enemy. These people are taking your Religion and throwing dirt on everything it stands for.
When it comes to the topic of extremism in religion, I like to draw parallels with the same thing that happens in politics. Concepts like democracy, marxism/communism, and even totalitarianism are often thought up with the noblest intentions of creating a society that functions properly and benefits the common good. But there numerous examples of people or groups twisting these ideologies around to benefit themselves and incite violence against their enemies (the "Reign of Terror" and parts of the French Revolution for democracy, Stalin's regime and a lot of the Latin American revolts for marxism/communism, and almost any brutal dictatorship you can think of for totalitarianism). That doesn't mean those ideologies (as well as the people who believe in them and propogate them) are wrong. When it comes to power, people will do anything to gain and maintain it. That includes exploiting something that can pacify and brainwash large numbers into giving their lives up for them. Religion isn't the only thing that's been misused in this manner, and its unfair and short-sighted to think that it is.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What'd you say? Sorry I couldn't hear you over the explosions of suicide bombers and planes flying into buildings.</div> Are you being serious, or are you kidding? I didn't want to go off on you without knowing 100% if you're being serious or not. So, I dont get the "learn how to take jokes."
