i think can be Kevin Garnett, Andrei Kirilenko, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tayshaun Prince, Rashard Lewis, etc.
Prince? Dude really isnt that good of a scorer or passer, so putting him there is generous. My team: G - Jason Kidd G - Kobe Bryant F - Andrei Kerilenko F - Kevin Garnett C - Shaq O'Neal (Say what you want, this dude is a great passer for a big man, and his defense is good simply for the fact that he is near impossible to get around.)
G - Jason Kidd: Man can do everything. People mock him for his shooting, but, when it matters most, he delivers. G - Kobe Bryant: In my opinion the most complete player. Great shooter, especially in the clutch, good passer, led Lakers in assists the last 3 season I believe, and a good rebounder. F - Kevin Garnett: Can do it all. Awesome passer for his size, phenomenal rebounder, great score, pretty much Mr. Everything. F - Tim Duncan: Man can pass for his position and size. Not too mention he is a great defender and offensive player. He may be boring, but, the fact that he uses the fundamentals of the basketball is good to see. That's what makes him good in my opinion. C - Shaquille O' Neal: Great offensive player and dominant down low. He is a good defender when he wants to be and he's a good rebounder.
Everyone is saying Kidd, but tell me, does he have a consistent shot. No. So that does not make him a complete player. Here is the real list. Duncan Garnett Artest Shaq Dwyane Wade. You guys are going to kill me on this one, but I am going to have to say Dwyane Wade's emergence in the playoffs adds him to this list. In the first round he went at Baron Davis and in the second round he completly dominated Ron Artest, who by the way is the defensive player of the year.
The only complete player is Kevin Garnett. If you are considering all of the aspects of the game which are Post Offense, Shooting, Rebounding, Blocking, Stealing, Passing, Leadership, and technically Dominance, then Garnett meets all these characteristics. Jason Kidd and every other player in the NBA don't meet all these characteristics.
Its my boy KG hands down. No one but Duncan matches up to him. Comparing Kidd to Garnett? they arent in the same league . BTW Wade is an awesome player, but i would think its too early to say hes a complete player, he just cant be yet, hes too young
Most complete has got to be KG. #3 in scoring, #1 in rebounding, #11 in blocks, top 20 in steals and assists i believe, just missed the top 10 in fg%, 75-80% free throw shooter, solid post game (can take it to the rack or simply pop a turn around in your eye), can step out and hit 18-20 foot jumpers consistently, and has hit several clutch three's when he had to. And lets not forget the intensity, leadership, and ability to play all 5 positions. NO ONE in the league can boast all of this. Not kobe, not kidd, not duncan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dwyane_Wade_3:</div><div class="quote_post">Everyone is saying Kidd, but tell me, does he have a consistent shot. No. So that does not make him a complete player. Here is the real list. Duncan Garnett Artest Shaq Dwyane Wade. You guys are going to kill me on this one, but I am going to have to say Dwyane Wade's emergence in the playoffs adds him to this list. In the first round he went at Baron Davis and in the second round he completly dominated Ron Artest, who by the way is the defensive player of the year.</div> A couple things here. Just because JKidd doesn't have a consistent jumper, doesn't make him complete. He does everything else well. Defense, passing, etc. All the little things he does. Not to mention he is the best court leader in the NBA and his prescence in the game changes it completely for the Nets compared to when he's not there. And the other thing, Dwayne Wade is not more complete then JKidd. His jump shot is also inconsistent. He is not even half the defender that Kidd is. He is not even in Kidd's league yet as far as point guards go in my opinion. Jason Kidd is more complete then him far and away. EDIT: By the way people, this was my 1000th post here at JBB. I just thought people would like to know that .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">A couple things here. Just because JKidd doesn't have a consistent jumper, doesn't make him complete. He does everything else well. Defense, passing, etc. All the little things he does. Not to mention he is the best court leader in the NBA and his prescence in the game changes it completely for the Nets compared to when he's not there. And the other thing, Dwayne Wade is not more complete then JKidd. His jump shot is also inconsistent. He is not even half the defender that Kidd is. He is not even in Kidd's league yet as far as point guards go in my opinion. Jason Kidd is more complete then him far and away.</div> I agree, Kidd is the most complete PG in the nba, if not the most complete guard (some can argue kobe). Wade is an astounding player, but is not on kidd's level yet. He might be able to score and shoot better than kidd, but that's about where it ends. Kidd, without a doubt, has the best court vision in the game, and is the best passer. He is also the best rebounding guard when u consider his size and the position he plays. And like people said before, he might not shoot very well, but when he needs to make it, he will (ask the 2002-2003 detroit pistons about this). Wade has a bright feature in the nba, but he is by no means a top 5 guard in the nba yet. Kidd is a top 3 on everyone's list.
PG - Jason Kidd, Francis SF - Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion PF - KG, Duncan Lamar Odom with improved defense Elton Brand isn't bad either, and Gilbert Arenas and Baron
I'm going to go w/ the unheralded complete players: Guards: Jason Terry, Flip Murray, Joe Johnson (when motivated) Forwards: Ron Artest, Jamal Mashburn (when healthy), Pau Gasol Centers: Jamaal Magloire, Nene These players have an abundance of talent and are very often overlooked. They aren't the best at their positions but they all have little weakenesses offensively and are pretty underrated defensively. Bob Sura is also a very good well rounded player who most people would have forgotten was in the league had he not gotten ripped for trying to get his third consecutive triple double.
My best all-around: Kevin Garnett. He just does everything for his team, and it's hard not to say he is the best all around player. Runner-up for the best all-around player is Kobe in my opinion. He doesn't rebound and block shots as well as Garnett obviously, but he's still a very good passer, defender and phenomenal scorer. Both can make their cases of best all-around, and I could start a new team with anyone in the league, it would be one of these two guys. Simply because they can do it all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">PG - Jason Kidd, Francis SF - Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion PF - KG, Duncan Lamar Odom with improved defense Elton Brand isn't bad either, and Gilbert Arenas and Baron</div> I disagree about Francis. He's a good player, but, he's not a great all around player. He doesn't play great defense and he's not a true point guard. He turns the ball over a lot and isn't what would be considered an outstanding player. He is however, a great scorer and a good shooter when he's on, but, he is an extremely streaky player. But, when you think of all around players, I don't think so. Doesn't play consistent enough and isn't a true point guard.
Grant Hill was more of a complete player in his prime than any of these current players. Stats from his third season: 21.4 ppg 9.0 rpg 7.3 ast ....that's probably the closest to someone averaging a triple double that I'll ever see in my life time.
yes. Grant hill was something until the injury. BTW is it the current players THIS year or can it be the current players with a look at some of their past stats and game?
