I think star players should be allowed to demand a trade if their organization hasnt done much at all to produce a succesful and winning ball club. You have to give them time though. If the team has only been building around their star player for 1-2 years then you have to give them time, but if you're a star player, and you've been on a team for like 5 years, and you still don't have consistent success, and you probably won't have success in the future, you're damn right you should demand a trade.That's my take. What are your opinions on this?
I guess I just agree with you. I think a star pl;ayer has the right to go to greener pastures if he can get a ring. Since we are of course thinking of AI, let him play with KG. (Just get him out of the East! ) I hope some players get rings before they go. I loved that GP and Zo got thier hardware before they retire, and I really wish Ewing would have gone to a contender in his final year, and I say that being a Bulls fan!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 16 2006, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think star players should be allowed to demand a trade if their organization hasnt done much at all to produce a succesful and winning ball club. You have to give them time though. If the team has only been building around their star player for 1-2 years then you have to give them time, but if you're a star player, and you've been on a team for like 5 years, and you still don't have consistent success, and you probably won't have success in the future, you're damn right you should demand a trade.That's my take. What are your opinions on this?</div> I pretty much agree. If your working on a rookie contract or 1-3 years into a long term deal...than no. But otherwise if your in your 5th year or like Kevin Garnett then I think it's okay.
I say none. I'm behind the whole honor thy contract. I mean if you sign a contract, you should keep in mind what will happen within your years of being on the team. If you sign for 5 years, then you better look at the team and see it's durability in the future and also the management's success in the past. Since money talks for most players, I don't see why these players all of a sudden when their losing, feel the need to ditch their team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 16 2006, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think star players should be allowed to demand a trade if their organization hasnt done much at all to produce a succesful and winning ball club. You have to give them time though. If the team has only been building around their star player for 1-2 years then you have to give them time, but if you're a star player, and you've been on a team for like 5 years, and you still don't have consistent success, and you probably won't have success in the future, you're damn right you should demand a trade.That's my take. What are your opinions on this?</div>Do you have any examples?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 16 2006, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say none. I'm behind the whole honor thy contract. I mean if you sign a contract, you should keep in mind what will happen within your years of being on the team. If you sign for 5 years, then you better look at the team and see it's durability in the future and also the management's success in the past. Since money talks for most players, I don't see why these players all of a sudden when their losing, feel the need to ditch their team.</div>I agree. Bugs me when someone signs a contract but realizes they could get more or be on a team that'll increase their value so they demand to leave.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 16 2006, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say none. I'm behind the whole honor thy contract. I mean if you sign a contract, you should keep in mind what will happen within your years of being on the team. If you sign for 5 years, then you better look at the team and see it's durability in the future and also the management's success in the past. Since money talks for most players, I don't see why these players all of a sudden when their losing, feel the need to ditch their team.</div>If you were a player of AI's status, and you played for that team your entire career, put your heart and soul in to the franchise, did all that you could, but your team still sucks, you wouldnt get frustrated? Their are guys like KG that have alot of honor, that havent demanded a trade, YET, but I bet you anything that he will if things dont shape up in Minnessota. On the other hand, for guys like Gasol who demand a trade, I think it is ridiculous. He has been in the league for I think 6 years or so, and he has made it to the playoffs in a good amount of them, and he is already giving up on that team. He isnt in the same boat as Iverson. And S2S, players dont demand trades to get more money, they demand trades to go to a team where they have a better chance of winning a championship...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 16 2006, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And S2S, players dont demand trades to get more money, they demand trades to go to a team where they have a better chance of winning a championship...</div>I'm not sure that I entirely agree with that. A lot of players want to go to NY just for the sake of making more. But generally, you're right. It depends on the person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 16 2006, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say none. I'm behind the whole honor thy contract. I mean if you sign a contract, you should keep in mind what will happen within your years of being on the team. If you sign for 5 years, then you better look at the team and see it's durability in the future and also the management's success in the past. Since money talks for most players, I don't see why these players all of a sudden when their losing, feel the need to ditch their team.</div> I see where your coming from and I generally agree with that. But...With some NBA management and how they run things I don't blame a guy for wanting out. Many times we don't know why a player wants out because nobody comes public with a reason. Like I thought Larry Harris for the Bucks was a great guy but when it came public on how he let Terry Porter go...I lost all respect for him that instant. I realize it's a business and the NBA is all about making money but sometimes I don't blame a guy and I go against the 'honor the deal' mentality.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 16 2006, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think star players should be allowed to demand a trade if their organization hasnt done much at all to produce a succesful and winning ball club. You have to give them time though. If the team has only been building around their star player for 1-2 years then you have to give them time, but if you're a star player, and you've been on a team for like 5 years, and you still don't have consistent success, and you probably won't have success in the future, you're damn right you should demand a trade.That's my take. What are your opinions on this?</div>I fully agree with you but only if you yourself have been doing everything in your power to win. People in AI, KG, Paul Pierce(not as much now) who have been loyal to there teams for many years nopw and have gotten nothing in return definetly should have the right to demand a trade. Especially when they have all played their heart out for the franchise and to never give a half ass job.
Like BCB said, management has something to do with it also. Like Tmac's situation in Orlando, the owner/GM/president could be being a jerk to the player and the player doest respect that and wants out. But if they are in a rebuilding process and it hasnt been that long its better to be patient.
the nba is essentially a company. so what you're saying is, if you didn't like you're job, or the company you were working for, or you're co-workers, you couldn't go somewhere else? That's ludicrous.
Yeah I also think its fine for them to demand a trade - they sign these contracts with the understanding that the ORG will try and put a competitive team on the floor, if the ORG doesn't then they aren't upholding thier end of the deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If you were a player of AI's status, and you played for that team your entire career, put your heart and soul in to the franchise, did all that you could, but your team still sucks, you wouldnt get frustrated? Their are guys like KG that have alot of honor, that havent demanded a trade, YET, but I bet you anything that he will if things dont shape up in Minnessota.</div>I don't get what your saying, you basically listed two players who are doing what I believe is right. Even though it's frustrating, their honoring their contract. Well until now with Iverson. But even so, both sides have to be in agreement, and the Sixers seem to be on par with Iverson. Therefore, I don't have an issue with this Iverson situation. If he just went out of his way himself to make his demand public, forcing the Sixers in a move. Then I would. Because forcing a team to make a decision is bs. Those situations in which a player basically says I will play like crap/bad or cause problems until you trade me is ridiculous. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>the nba is essentially a company. so what you're saying is, if you didn't like you're job, or the company you were working for, or you're co-workers, you couldn't go somewhere else? That's ludicrous.</div>I'm sorry but you can't quit your contract with a basketball team like you can with your job. That made no sense to me.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I also think its fine for them to demand a trade - they sign these contracts with the understanding that the ORG will try and put a competitive team on the floor, if the ORG doesn't then they aren't upholding thier end of the deal.</div>Thing about that is there is 30 teams competing in the NBA, you can't expect every team to be winning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 17 2006, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thing about that is there is 30 teams competing in the NBA, you can't expect every team to be winning.</div>Yes but you can expect your team to TRY. The sixers have been relitively passive about the slump and last years ordinary season. AI waited for them to try something but they didn't. I respect his moveing and the fact that if your Organisation doesn't want to help you...help your self!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Dec 16 2006, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the nba is essentially a company. so what you're saying is, if you didn't like you're job, or the company you were working for, or you're co-workers, you couldn't go somewhere else? That's ludicrous.</div> But when you work somewhere your hired by them and your not under contract. When I work at my restuarant I work when they tell me to and I can leave whenever I want. In the NBA you HAVE to play because you have signed the dotted line and you have to honor it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Dec 16 2006, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the nba is essentially a company. so what you're saying is, if you didn't like you're job, or the company you were working for, or you're co-workers, you couldn't go somewhere else? That's ludicrous.</div>Not all jobs are contracted based. If that's the case then players could just void their contracts and sign elsewhere whenever they felt like it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes but you can expect your team to TRY. The sixers have been relitively passive about the slump and last years ordinary season. AI waited for them to try something but they didn't. I respect his moveing and the fact that if your Organisation doesn't want to help you...help your self!</div>Well if your losing, it doesn't look like an organization is trying. I think the Sixers tried to build around Iverson and it blew up in their face. By that I mean, they made the wrong decision in keeping him at the time, rather then rebuilding. They decided for ticket sales, but have come to the point of helping Iverson move to another team. Which is why I said I don't mind this situation with Iverson at all. It's only star players who force their teams into making a trade that I don't feel is right. That's basically demanding a trade. This Iverson deal, both sides seem to be on agreement that it's time to move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 17 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well if your losing, it doesn't look like an organization is trying. I think the Sixers tried to build around Iverson and it blew up in their face. By that I mean, they made the wrong decision in keeping him at the time, rather then rebuilding. They decided for ticket sales, but have come to the point of helping Iverson move to another team. Which is why I said I don't mind this situation with Iverson at all. It's only star players who force their teams into making a trade that I don't feel is right. That's basically demanding a trade. This Iverson deal, both sides seem to be on agreement that it's time to move on.</div>Im feeling you know dude. What I really hate is ....er who I really hate is Steve Francis - imagine demaning a trade before you play a minute of NBA Basketball - that Nigga wasnn't a star yet he was no-body and yet he demanded a trade- I will loathe him till the day I die because of that!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>er who I really hate is Steve Francis - imagine demaning a trade before you play a minute of NBA Basketball - that Nigga wasnn't a star yet he was no-body and yet he demanded a trade- I will loathe him till the day I die because of that!</div>Ha I remember that, on draft day right. Didn't Kobe do something similar as well, saying he didn't want a certain team to draft him. Crazy, I mean these guys have the dream of entering the NBA and already are making demands.
