What Happened??? The Magic thought they got the better the trade, but no playoffs

Earlier in the season the Magic Organization was braggin on how they got the better of the Houston/ Orlando trade. Well sorry to say that you guys didn't even make the playoffs this year. Not only that, you watched Tmac have the best season of his career as far as stats. Now that you're season was a failure, and your GM quiting, I want to know if you still feel as confident about getting the better of the trade.

 

Well now that you have no bench and no role players and now that your team will never succeed in the West (Like when Dallas beats you by 40 points) how do you feel?

As a Magic fan I like our odds with our young talent and better lineup. Oh and not to mention, I wouldn't be to proud of at least making the playoffs because many had you as Championship Contenders in the start of the season but you were beat by the Mavs in the first round! Talk about underachievers...

 

well, they still might have, but the hole cuttino mobley and doug christy trade ruined the team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yao ming:</div><div class="quote_post">well, they still might have, but the hole cuttino mobley and doug christy trade ruined the team.</div>
Yeah if we still had our original lineup of Francis, Mobley, Hill, Howard and Battie with Cato, Hedo and Jameer on the bench, I think that is way better then your lineup right now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Well now that you have no bench and no role players and now that your team will never succeed in the West (Like when Dallas beats you by 40 points) how do you feel?

As a Magic fan I like our odds with our young talent and better lineup. Oh and not to mention, I wouldn't be to proud of at least making the playoffs because many had you as Championship Contenders in the start of the season but you were beat by the Mavs in the first round! Talk about underachievers...</div>
That's funny you say that, because even with no bench or role players and even without TMAC, we were still able to DESTROY you guys both times this year. Too bad it looks like you'll being trading Francis, maybe Kelvin Cato will be the one that leads you guys to playoffs next year.

 

Dont bring that mess in our forum we dont need people coming in laughing at the Magic and saying how we messed up. 1st Tmac wanted out go in the Raptors forum and tell them about Carter. Tmac got tired of doing the load for the team. The Rockets have Yao a 7 foot beast that no one can touch so Tmac was going to do better with someone else doing the big thing for the team. Trading Mobley ruined the Kings and the Magic as the Kings are now without Doug prob let there chemistry down and then they traded CWebb. On the Magics part we needed to get Dwight and Nelson a chance so we got rid of the Stevio/Mobley show and now maybe the whole show since Katos prob gone and Stevio might go.

Please leave the laughing at the Magic to yourself we are new a good team no making fun. Thanks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FlaBoy:</div><div class="quote_post">Dont bring that mess in our forum we dont need people coming in laughing at the Magic and saying how we messed up. 1st Tmac wanted out go in the Raptors forum and tell them about Carter. Tmac got tired of doing the load for the team. The Rockets have Yao a 7 foot beast that no one can touch so Tmac was going to do better with someone else doing the big thing for the team. Trading Mobley ruined the Kings and the Magic as the Kings are now without Doug prob let there chemistry down and then they traded CWebb. On the Magics part we needed to get Dwight and Nelson a chance so we got rid of the Stevio/Mobley show and now maybe the whole show since Katos prob gone and Stevio might go.

Please leave the laughing at the Magic to yourself we are new a good team no making fun. Thanks.</div>
We must protect this house!

 

The Magic honestly, really thought that they got the better end of the Houston deal??? ..hmmm, lets see...they traded a top 5 NBA player for a player who is arguably top 5 at his own position...but I put all the blame on Weisbrod, as he completely ruined orlando's chances at success...

 

The magic would've gotten the better end of the deal but they traded the X factor in the trade which was Cuttino Mobley, that trade really messed up the teams chemistry and they went downhill from there. If they have a good draft and a good offseason where they can bring in some players who can co-exist with Francis and Howard. This team can become a good team in the future but i think it all lays in the hands of the front office.

 

I understand

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">We must protect this house! </div>
Well I understand you frustration. But I took it personally when you're GM trashed Tmac all season. He took shot after shot at Tmac and Tmac never responded. Also, Francis was taking shots at Van Gundy and the Rockets organization. I like the Magic, and I think that you guys have a bright future, but I had to mention that ya'll were the ones talkin the trash. But honestly, Francis needs to go. Nelson seems like he's ready to take over the team and Francis is just a giant road block. Plus, I'm sure he gave you headaches with his dumb turnovers. Personally, I thought the Christie/ Mobley trade was stupid. Mobley is a upgrade over Christie and younger. Hopefully, Brian Hill will come in and do a good job, but I don't see him and Franchise getting along

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I understand you frustration. But I took it personally when you're GM trashed Tmac all season. He took shot after shot at Tmac and Tmac never responded. Also, Francis was taking shots at Van Gundy and the Rockets organization. I like the Magic, and I think that you guys have a bright future, but I had to mention that ya'll were the ones talkin the trash. But honestly, Francis needs to go. Nelson seems like he's ready to take over the team and Francis is just a giant road block. Plus, I'm sure he gave you headaches with his dumb turnovers. Personally, I thought the Christie/ Mobley trade was stupid. Mobley is a upgrade over Christie and younger. Hopefully, Brian Hill will come in and do a good job, but I don't see him and Franchise getting along</div>
Yeah I understand why you were mad but I don't think you need to rub it in the Magic fan's faces because even though it was our stupid GM making the comments, we weren't the ones saying those things.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I understand why you were mad but I don't think you need to rub it in the Magic fan's faces because even though it was our stupid GM making the comments, we weren't the ones saying those things.</div>
Cool.......... But like I said. You guys have to get rid of Francis. He's talented but he makes to many mistakes, especially on the fast break. I think you need a PG that will get Dwight Howard the ball more like Nelson. Now that Brian Hill is the coach, maybe he'll apply that needed dicispline (I.E. Van Gundy)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">Cool.......... But like I said. You guys have to get rid of Francis. He's talented but he makes to many mistakes, especially on the fast break. I think you need a PG that will get Dwight Howard the ball more like Nelson. Now that Brian Hill is the coach, maybe he'll apply that needed dicispline (I.E. Van Gundy)</div>
Yeah I think we need to get rid of Francis and hope to get a nice SG for him. Nelson is more then capable of running the point and Francis isn't the type of player we need at this point. We need a guy who isn't selfish and someone that will help Dwight develop to his full potential.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I think we need to get rid of Francis and hope to get a nice SG for him. Nelson is more then capable of running the point and Francis isn't the type of player we need at this point. We need a guy who isn't selfish and someone that will help Dwight develop to his full potential.</div>
Dwight showed me something this year. He's got great potential. He's a beast on the boards and has some offense. Also he's long, so he can lock up whoever he's guarding. I think he could be as good as garnett. His attitude toward the game is his best attribute, to me.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">Dwight showed me something this year. He's got great potential. He's a beast on the boards and has some offense. Also he's long, so he can lock up whoever he's guarding. I think he could be as good as garnett. His attitude toward the game is his best attribute, to me.</div>
Yeah he is great at grabbing 10 rebounds a night and he is good at cleaning up on offense. Hopefully Coach Hill will be able to make him a bigger part of the offense next year so that he won't have to get all his points off other guy's misses. I also like the fact that he is down to earth and is really thankful for every oppurtunity he gets. Hopefully he doesn't lose that attitude when he becomes an All-Star.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah he is great at grabbing 10 rebounds a night and he is good at cleaning up on offense. Hopefully Coach Hill will be able to make him a bigger part of the offense next year so that he won't have to get all his points off other guy's misses. I also like the fact that he is down to earth and is really thankful for every oppurtunity he gets. Hopefully he doesn't lose that attitude when he becomes an All-Star. </div>
I watched the Magic play, and I also think that Turkulug should be getting the ball more. The guy has game. But he doesn't get the ball enough. Also, I think Grant Hill should be running the point, if not Nelson. Grant's game is team oriented and he reminds me of Pippen.

 

When it is late in the game they usually have Hill at the point because he makes smart decisions with the ball and has the ability to find an open guy or dissect the defense.

I also think Hedo is a great player and is probably the best long range shooter on the team. I like his scoring off the bench but when he is in, I would like to see him take more shots. There were a couple times last year where he scored 20+ points and helped the Magic win some games. I like Hedo and he is a good backup to have since Hill is injury prone.

 

Jeez Christ Swish, someone says one word about the Magic underachieving and you begin insulting his team like he just insulted your mother? Both of you need to start acting mature like you are now. Talk basketball, not diss other teams.

As for the Magic's disappointing season, it certainly was expected. Anytime you trade a bona fide NBA superstar for a second tier star and an All-Star at best, you're bound to lose out on the deal. However, it wasn't as if the Magic could have avoided the situation, as getting equal talent for TMac is almost impossible.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Jeez Christ Swish, someone says one word about the Magic underachieving and you begin insulting his team like he just insulted your mother? Both of you need to start acting mature like you are now. Talk basketball, not diss other teams.

As for the Magic's disappointing season, it certainly was expected. Anytime you trade a bona fide NBA superstar for a second tier star and an All-Star at best, you're bound to lose out on the deal. However, it wasn't as if the Magic could have avoided the situation, as getting equal talent for TMac is almost impossible.</div>
Sorry it's just I was a little annoyed that he came in here and started trash talking. It's all good now and it was worked out.

 

I don?t know how the Magic got the short end of the stick in the McGrady deal. I actually liked the deal and thought the Magic could make some noise this season especially with them drafting Dwight Howard. May someone please tell me how it was a bad trade?

When they acquired Steve Francis, Orlando got a consistent starter on the all-star team, and someone who could gave you about 20/6/6.5 a night. Not many players in the NBA can/could stop Francis and Orlando had a player that could basically dismantle any defense especially with the help of his trusty side kick Cuttino ?The Cat? Mobley.

Mobley in addition to being tremendously underrated, is an excellent shooter and plays hard-nosed defense. His presence along with Turkoglu, spread the floor for Steve to thrive off of penetration more efficiently. Dwight Howard is a rising star in the league and was contributing in the post which spread the floor out even more.

With Kelvin Cato, the Magic had a very legit 7-foot center to play along Howard. Their frontcourt was monstrous having two athletic 7-footers blocking shots and rebounding. Cato helped the Magic out plenty and was a key piece to the deal with his defense and size.

When the Magic gave up McGrady, they gave up a superstar that could not fill up all three of these positions at all. While McGrady is better than Francis, Mobley, and Cato, he is not as valuable as all of them meaning his role was not as important as all of them combined. To me, a scoring machine in Steve Francis, a lights out shooter in Mobley, and a shot blocking center is much more valuable than one McGrady.

The Magic didn?t really fail like everyone said they did. Many people believed Orlando would not be in playoff contention and would be headed straight to the top 3 in the lottery. In the beginning of the season, Orlando played really well and was in playoff contention, but the Mobley trade steered them in the wrong direction and that?s why they lost. Please, let?s not forget that Christie only played 21 games for the Magic this season so shortly after the deal was made, they basically got nothing out of it.