What do you think would happen if the Raptor's cousins the Maple Leafs were to start their season off as badly as the Raptors? I was thinkin about this the other day. I find it very unlikely such a poor start would be tolerated, and changes would be made immediatly to remedy the sitation i.e. change in GM, staff, and player personelle. Why should the Raptors be any different? Basketball is just as important to some as hockey is. They gotta do something fast and durastic. I love southern-pimp-Sam but I think he's gotta go. I'd love to see them finally can Rob Babcock, but somehow he keeps selling MLSE on his stupid rebuilding plan that never seems to end.
If the Leafs started this bad, TSN would devote 20 minutes to the Leafs. I passionately hate those puckheads at TSN. It's SPORTScentre, not HOCKEYcentre.
if the leafs started off this bad there would be riots. well during the 80's, in the harold ballard (sp.) days the leafs sucked on purpose and there wasn't much fallout; in fact, they sold out the garden every night. canadians are dispassionate sports fans, thats why there isn't more heat on babcock and co.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TorontoRaps:</div><div class="quote_post">but somehow he keeps selling MLSE on his stupid rebuilding plan that never seems to end.</div> Explain please.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">Explain please.</div> Well everytime he's under fire in an interview he always says in his smug little voice "We're in the rebuilding process. Managment has been sold on my "plan"...yada yada yada". I hate this dude and he's sinking this ship. I actually miss Glen Grunwald. At least he knew a thing or two about the sport he GMs.
Yeea, but Grunwald made arguably the worst trade in Davis + JYD for Jalen + Donyell. Sure it boosted our offense that year, but what do we have to show for it a couple years later: Marshall bolted and Rose's contract has made it essentially impossibly for Babcock to sign anybody. Meanwhile, after a couple crappy seasons, the Bulls look like one of the more promising teams in the league.
If the leafs started this bad, what could they do? NHL has a salary cap now, just like the NBA! They cant buy their teams anymore!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeea, but Grunwald made arguably the worst trade in Davis + JYD for Jalen + Donyell. Sure it boosted our offense that year, but what do we have to show for it a couple years later: Marshall bolted and Rose's contract has made it essentially impossibly for Babcock to sign anybody. Meanwhile, after a couple crappy seasons, the Bulls look like one of the more promising teams in the league.</div> It was bad contract for bad contract...Davis is in NY, Donyell in Cleveland at least theyre playing, JYD is retired...although Davis would look good at center now for the raps!
Yea, but Davis was always more tradeable, and Jalen brings absolutely no interest from other teams. Plus Davis' contract ends this year. That trade basically allowed the Bulls to truly rebuild. The Raps haven't really had that oppurtunity, until now.
the bulls were rebuilding for years before the davis trade, they were rebuilding when jordan left, they drafted brand/artest/brad miller... then they blew that up and drafted chandler/curry/hinrich/deng/duhon etc...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TorontoRaps:</div><div class="quote_post">Well everytime he's under fire in an interview he always says in his smug little voice "We're in the rebuilding process. Managment has been sold on my "plan"...yada yada yada". I hate this dude and he's sinking this ship. I actually miss Glen Grunwald. At least he knew a thing or two about the sport he GMs.</div> Did you ever think, he says it because it's true? Grunwald was a horrible GM, he made this mess that Babs is now trying to fix.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting G-UNIT:</div><div class="quote_post">the bulls were rebuilding for years before the davis trade, they were rebuilding when jordan left, they drafted brand/artest/brad miller... then they blew that up and drafted chandler/curry/hinrich/deng/duhon etc...</div> They could never really rebuild with Rose's contract. They had young talent, but if they still had Jalen, signing all of there young players would have handicapped them in the free agent market. They timed it right, so that now that they can bring in a new player with Tim Thomas' (who they traded Davis for) contract coming off next year, and then resign all of their own players. Anyway, the basic point I'm trying to make is that Grunwald is seriously overrated as a GM. He built a young, promising team that went to the playoffs twice, but when they were beginning to fall off, he went into denial. Grunwald could have easily made the rebuilding process so much quicker, but instead overpaid Olajuwon and traded two bad contracts that finished in a few years, for a bigger one that lasted longer. Because he just added pieces, instead of rebuilding (kind of like the Knicks are now) we were stuck in limbo: too good to grab the best players in the draft to build around, not good enough to make the playoffs.
as much as i love the raps, i think they had to blow everything up and start from scratch...yah it sux watching them, but WHEN the raps get good again, i want it to be for a long time, not 2-3 yrs.... from what im seeing, they have a few nice pieces, they just need to find a goto guy at crunch time...as far as im concerned, lose as many games as possible to get more ping pong balls!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TorontoRaps:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you think would happen if the Raptor's cousins the Maple Leafs were to start their season off as badly as the Raptors? I was thinkin about this the other day. I find it very unlikely such a poor start would be tolerated, and changes would be made immediatly to remedy the sitation i.e. change in GM, staff, and player personelle. Why should the Raptors be any different? Basketball is just as important to some as hockey is. They gotta do something fast and durastic. I love southern-pimp-Sam but I think he's gotta go. I'd love to see them finally can Rob Babcock, but somehow he keeps selling MLSE on his stupid rebuilding plan that never seems to end.</div> Are you old enough to remember the "Ballard Years"? Four words for Maple Leaf ineptness: Gord Stellick, General Manager Have fun.............
If the Leafs did start off this bad, they would have traded most of their veterans for prospects and draft picks. Unlike the Raps, they have the luxury of having a good GM in John Ferguson Jr.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Leafs did start off this bad, they would have traded most of their veterans for prospects and draft picks. Unlike the Raps, they have the luxury of having a good GM in John Ferguson Jr.</div> Bull-oney. JFJ is over-rated. And for some reason, when he talks, I always think that Mel Blanc is supplying the voice Sufferin' suckatash....... Have fun...............
Not really the place for a hockey debate, but this season with the cap showed how good a GM he is. Signing Lindros and Allison for less than 2 mill each, and trading for O'Neill? Letting overpriced talent like Roberts, Nieuwendyk, Mogilny, and Leetch go in favour of their young prospects like Steen, Wellwood, and Colaiacovo. Resisting the temptation to go crazy with the influx of free agents? Come on noww. He just finished Babcocks 3-4 year plan in two seasons.
