i can't stand the hype, all these players that receive the hype and do nothing with it. i might be in the minority but lebron james doesn't impress me. really outside of freakish athleticism- the kid doesn't have high skill level . his shot is inconsistent and thats being complimentary, he plays out of control at times, his man to man defense his porous and him changing agents exemplifies its more about the show (endorsements, money, celebrity) than the game. dwayne wade is the best player out of that 03 draft class and he doesn't receive a tenth of the notriority of lebron. about tmac, this dude hasn't even got out of the first round and yet he's a top 10 player? give me a break. heres a list of players that i think receive too much hype aside from the two aforementioned: (1) dirk-the great white hype thats never delivered in the playoffs (2) baron davis -too fat to be taken seriously (bad back) (3) lamar odom- he sucks (4) tony parker- he plays alongside two great players (duncan, ginobli) (5) vince carter- when times get tough, his mom does his talkin (6) steve francis- a candidate for the lowest basketball i.q. (7) joe johnson-he led the league in threes playing alongside (nash, amare) (8) rip hamilton-20 points easily on 30 shots (9) cwebb-the knee might rehab better if he actually lost some weight (10) yao- the year of the yao was like 2 years ago (11) rashard lewis- falls in the lamar odom category (12) brad miller- i like his game but spends too much time on the IR (13) darko-do i really have to explain the rational behind this selection? (14) rasheed wallace-i like the dude but doesn't show up for the big games (15) sammy d- too raw
welll i agree wit you on some of those. a lot players get hype they dont deserve. everybody will be askin me why but i also think Wade was the best player taken in 2003 but in a way i wonder if his good play is all because Shaq is playin alongside
Wade doesnt need Shaq to perform at a high level, he proved it in the 1st round of the playoffs against the Washington Wizards, he scored like 42 points in Game 3 i think it was in Washington and Shaq was out. Obviously i think Lebron is hyped a bit too much but you cant say hes not a top 10 player in the NBA right now. Wat i dont like about Lebron James is that he wants input on the Cavaliers's moves this summer, who the hell is he? He aint helped Cleveland get to the playoffs yet. But Tracy McGrady is a great player and deserves all the hype. He was unstoppable in Dallas-Houston series, the dunk over Shawn Bradley, the game winner in Game 2, the 13 points in like 30 seconds. Yao Ming's status right now aint even that great. People dont think about em the way they used to when he first played his first NBA game. People thinkin "oh he got all that height, and dont know how to use it, ''Hes too soft". All that stuff is true but he will one day show us what hes really made of. The rest i cant explain cause my fingers hurt now from typing so much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao Ming isn't soft, he produces all star caliber numbers and is only getting better.</div> Yao Ming isn't soft? Sure, and the Clippers are going to the playoffs this year.
lol. Dude Rip doesnt even take 20 shots, and I think you meant Q Rich instead of Johnson, another person who still holds a grudge vs. Vince. Odom definately does not suck, and Parker is a great pg why? because of Duncan and Eva Longoria! Did u watch the Heat series every big game Sheed was ready to go. Don't start with Sammy he's a top 10 big Man in the NBA Behind, Shaq, Amare, Duncan, KG, Big Z, and Ben Wallace
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i can't stand the hype, all these players that receive the hype and do nothing with it. i might be in the minority but lebron james doesn't impress me. really outside of freakish athleticism- the kid doesn't have high skill level . his shot is inconsistent and thats being complimentary, he plays out of control at times, his man to man defense his porous and him changing agents exemplifies its more about the show (endorsements, money, celebrity) than the game. dwayne wade is the best player out of that 03 draft class and he doesn't receive a tenth of the notriority of lebron. about tmac, this dude hasn't even got out of the first round and yet he's a top 10 player? give me a break. heres a list of players that i think receive too much hype aside from the two aforementioned: (1) dirk-the great white hype thats never delivered in the playoffs (2) baron davis -too fat to be taken seriously (bad back) (3) lamar odom- he sucks (4) tony parker- he plays alongside two great players (duncan, ginobli) (5) vince carter- when times get tough, his mom does his talkin (6) steve francis- a candidate for the lowest basketball i.q. (7) joe johnson-he led the league in threes playing alongside (nash, amare) (8) rip hamilton-20 points easily on 30 shots (9) cwebb-the knee might rehab better if he actually lost some weight (10) yao- the year of the yao was like 2 years ago (11) rashard lewis- falls in the lamar odom category (12) brad miller- i like his game but spends too much time on the IR (13) darko-do i really have to explain the rational behind this selection? (14) rasheed wallace-i like the dude but doesn't show up for the big games (15) sammy d- too raw</div> There's quite a bit that I really disagree with you. (Dalembert?? Whens the last time he got a lot of hype? I have no idea where that came from) First of all, the players I hilighted in bold don't even get that much hype. Second, how can you say can LeBron doesn't have high skill level? People say he doesn't have a good jumpshot and stuff, but that's too old of an arguement now. Anyone who watched him after the all star break knows his jumpshot REALLY improved (you should know, he put on a clinic against the Raptors), and he is so versatile. His defense needs work, but he'll get better with time. Wade is certainly a fantastic player, but he's not better than James yet. McGrady is also a fantastic player. I don't see how his teams not suceeding the playoffs takes anything away from his skill. Look at Garnett, he made it out of the first round ONCE, then he comes back and misses the playoffs the following year. Do I see him on your list? (He shouldn't be anyway) And about Hamilton, you probably think he shoots a low percentage because you saw him struggle a bit in the finals. If you knew better, you'd know he shot 44% from the field in the regular season, and shot 51% against the Sixers, 46% against the Pacers, and 47% against the Heat in the playoffs. I'd like to comment on everyone I disagreed with, but there's too much to write.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i can't stand the hype, all these players that receive the hype and do nothing with it. i might be in the minority but lebron james doesn't impress me. really outside of freakish athleticism- the kid doesn't have high skill level . his shot is inconsistent and thats being complimentary, he plays out of control at times, his man to man defense his porous and him changing agents exemplifies its more about the show (endorsements, money, celebrity) than the game. dwayne wade is the best player out of that 03 draft class and he doesn't receive a tenth of the notriority of lebron. about tmac, this dude hasn't even got out of the first round and yet he's a top 10 player? give me a break. heres a list of players that i think receive too much hype aside from the two aforementioned: (1) dirk-the great white hype thats never delivered in the playoffs (2) baron davis -too fat to be taken seriously (bad back) (3) lamar odom- he sucks (4) tony parker- he plays alongside two great players (duncan, ginobli) (5) vince carter- when times get tough, his mom does his talkin (6) steve francis- a candidate for the lowest basketball i.q. (7) joe johnson-he led the league in threes playing alongside (nash, amare) (8) rip hamilton-20 points easily on 30 shots (9) cwebb-the knee might rehab better if he actually lost some weight (10) yao- the year of the yao was like 2 years ago (11) rashard lewis- falls in the lamar odom category (12) brad miller- i like his game but spends too much time on the IR (13) darko-do i really have to explain the rational behind this selection? (14) rasheed wallace-i like the dude but doesn't show up for the big games (15) sammy d- too raw</div> Baron davis too fat to be taken to seriously?????? If hes fat how can he dunk? He was traded to the warriors and turned the team around. I dont see what your saying.
Alot of the players you mentioned aren't hyped up at all Joe Johnson: He's much more than just a three point shooter. He's one of those players can do everything good, but nothing great. He even played pg at times when steve nash was injured. Rip Hamilton: He's a career 45% shooter. It's more like 20 points on 15 shots (he gets to the line about 6 times a game aswell) Rashard Lewis: I don't see how he's being hyped up, nor do I see how he sucks. He's a 20 ppg scorer who can kill you on the perimeter with a three and then the next play post you up and hit a turn around jumpshot. He's also IMO a very underated defender. Rasheed Wallace: I think played great in the finals he just didn't get enough touches. Partly due to the fact that he was always in foul trouble, but who wouldn't be gaurding Tim Duncan. Sammy Dalembert: Sure he's raw, but he's one of the top centers in the league. And again, who's hyping him up?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao Ming isn't soft? Sure, and the Clippers are going to the playoffs this year.</div> if Yao Ming got the ball more, you would see how physical he is in the post.
Deception no offense but you gotta start watchin a little more NBA Basketball to be talkin like that about some of these NBA players. Its aight i used to think Allan Houston was the best player in the league when i first started watching NBA Basketball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">if Yao Ming got the ball more, you would see how physical he is in the post.</div> TMac gives him the ball, it's just that he gets into foul trouble and gets tired easily. I know he plays year round, but he shouldn't be getting pushed around by guys smaller than him.
baron davis isnt fat, he just doesnt work hard and is always injuredd. i bet baron's in better shape than all of us on this board. after all, you cant be an nba all star if u just sit around watching tv while eating popcorn.
Lebron is SOOOOOOOOO overrated. If he scatches his butt on the court, they'll play it 100 times on ESPN in slow motion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron is SOOOOOOOOO overrated. If he scatches his butt on the court, they'll play it 100 times on ESPN in slow motion.</div> LOL i think so too
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(3) lamar odom- he sucks</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">11) rashard lewis- falls in the lamar odom category </div> With such amazing analysis how can anyone dare disagree? terrible reasons in every part of your post. I should of stopped reading when you said a guy who averaged 27,7 and 7 this year doesn't have a high skill level. Then you mention his shooting even though he shot over 47% from the floor and over 35% from three. What are you going to say next? Hakeem was an average defender?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">With such amazing analysis how can anyone dare disagree? terrible reasons in every part of your post. I should of stopped reading when you said a guy who averaged 27,7 and 7 this year doesn't have a high skill level. Then you mention his shooting even though he shot over 47% from the floor and over 35% from three. </div> he averaged those gaudy numbers on a team that didn't make the playoffs; i used tell people that paul pierce was the most under appreciated player in the league until i saw him fall on his face in the olympics. same with mr. james, he wasn't even good enough to make it on the floor. and rashard lewis is soft, i really don't see how u can disagree with that. i will omit the rip hamilton selection, i'm biased from this years finals appearence. and u stat junkies need to stop livin off that stuff as sole indicators. stats don't represent what the dude has in him when times get tough, like a bruce bowen who should have been considered for finals mvp. and somebody mentioned the 56 lebron put up on the raptors, let me remind that poster that the raptors won that game. kg made it to the western conference finals, was the mvp of the league and played on really dysfunctional teams. remember tmac's ex-teammates hate the dude, i think the respect of your peers is really important.
