What it will take to get Stotts fired?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Bruno_Sabino, Aug 22, 2020.

  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    29,975
    Likes Received:
    8,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired, while you work!
    Paul Allen died at age 65. If Jody Allen (61) dies, who will inherit the team? Her children Duncan Patton (31), Gardner Patton (26) and Faye Patton (23).

    That's when Stotts and Olshey will be replaced by their kids. The team will be a madhouse.
     
  2. AmirIcon

    AmirIcon Harbinger of Light

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,926
    Likes Received:
    2,460
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Body of work. Obviously. You're developing scoliosis from how much you're bending over backwards to defend Stotts. Suspending logic doesn't make the argument more valid.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    101,864
    Likes Received:
    93,081
    Trophy Points:
    115
    If JA passes I'm sure you will step in to be the mother figure those kids need.
     
  4. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    11,548
    Likes Received:
    18,288
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Portland wouldn't have PG13

    they'd very likely have:

    • Danilo Gallinari
    • Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
    • 2021 first round pick (?-?)
    • 2022 first round pick (?-?)
    • first round pick (protected top 14 in 2023-25, unprotected in 2026) (?-?)
    • Blazer option to swap 2023 first round pick with Clippers (?-?)
    • 2024 first round pick (?-?)
    • Blazer option to swap 2025 first round pick with Clippers (?-?)
    • 2026 first round pick (?-?)

    in other words, they'd have a 6'5 starting SG who plays good defense and fits better with Dame than CJ, and is arguably as good as CJ while having turned 22 a month ago; a starting level SF/PF who is a solid rebounder and shoots over 40% on three's; and 5 extra 1st round picks plus options to swap two more

    they'd have a better present and a much better future

    unless of course Neil Olshey isn't as good a GM as Presti
     
    tester551 likes this.
  5. brooklynballer

    brooklynballer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    638
    Likes Received:
    941
    Trophy Points:
    93
    And that’s exactly where he belongs - as an assistant.

    And please stop asking about what players left Portland and got significantly better - it’s such a hollow argument. Let’s flip that, what players came to Portland and got significantly better? Evan Turner? Nope. Caleb Swanigan? Nope. Zach Collins? Nope, and in fact he looks like he’s regressed in his time in Portland. Melo? Nope. His raw numbers are about on par with where was in his last two stints in Hou and OKC, except with a lower PER and Net Rtg than his OKC days. Still a below average NBA player. Whiteside? Everyone can agree that he put up some gaudy stats this season, but they’re not even the best of his career. Hood? Nope, his PER is about on par with previous seasons in CLE and UTA. So who’s gotten better under Stotts? And don’t you dare say Nurk, CJ or Dame - those players have matured into those roles and that would have happened with or without Stotts.

    Two recent examples of players who got better away from Stotts. Seth Curry went from an 11 PER (below average NBA player) under Stotts to almost 16 PER this season (above average NBA player). Will Barton went from an 8 PER (borderline should be out of the league) to almost a 16 PER (again, above average) in the same season he was traded from POR to DEN and has only gotten better since. I’m sure I can find lots of other examples too.
     
    AmirIcon and Darkwebs like this.
  6. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    19,824
    Likes Received:
    23,352
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Baby Daddy
    Location:
    Chasing my kids
    Is this like a butterfly effect scenario, if he's traded to Portland, who knows how that alters his career, if he asks for a trade from OKC, Dame certainly wouldn't have made a 35 footer in his face to end the series.
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    76,819
    Likes Received:
    33,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    It's such a unique situation where an owner dies and someone who really isn't/hasn't been invested in sports or the team takes over. I honestly don't know much about Jody. I remember initially everyone thought she'd sell because she wasn't a basketball fanatic like Paul was.

    But my fear is that she won't want to rock the boat because this wasn't her passion and because she might not really have many opinions, at least not initially, about what she wants for the team long term. Usually when someone buys a sports franchise they go in with their own ideas and they want to mold the team into their vision. Paul certainly did that when he took over.
     
    Tince likes this.
  8. Buffalo Custard

    Buffalo Custard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2020
    Messages:
    1,275
    Likes Received:
    1,308
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Reality is complicated. The problem starts when this complexity leads to analysis paralysis.
     
  9. beast crnjo

    beast crnjo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    Messages:
    1,822
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dame would have to get mad at him
     
  10. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,321
    Likes Received:
    6,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Aminu and Harkless got better, did they not? So you'd assume a bad coach would have more players that got better after they left, an average coach would have a similar amount that got better/worse, and a good coach would have more than got better after arriving to play for them. The fact that you can't name 1 out of all the players is kinda surprising, isn't it? Out of 30+ players, you should be able to name a bunch that blossomed once they got away from a bad coach.
     
  11. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    19,824
    Likes Received:
    23,352
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Baby Daddy
    Location:
    Chasing my kids
    I actually went and checked on Moe and Aminu, their ‘growth’ was pretty minuscule in terms of PER. Now maybe they got better in other ways, I didnt check.
     
    brooklynballer, Darkwebs and Tince like this.
  12. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,321
    Likes Received:
    6,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Like others, when I try to use your own criteria for determining if Stotts is an ok coach on another coach, you consider it suspending logic. Basically, you guys want one criteria to judge our coach, but think that same logic when used against another coach is meaningless. That's kinda weird isn't? If the criteria was so solid, it should easily apply to the other coaches as well.
     
  13. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,321
    Likes Received:
    6,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Could be right, I don't always use PER as it showed Dame and Nurk to be nearly of equal value last season. Something I don't think many Blazer fans would agree with. Though, I don't have a singular metric that I use that I would claim is far superior.

    Nurks PER sure jumped after coming to Portland, another guy who I would say improved coming into our system. Whiteside had his highest PER in the last 4 season since joining Portland.

    Again, I'm not saying Stotts is the #1 coach in the NBA, makes every player better. I'm saying, the number of players who see a jump under him vs leave and go on to explode elsewhere is more in his favor.
     
  14. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    4,008
    Likes Received:
    3,806
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't believe that would withstand any statistical scrutiny.
     
  15. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,321
    Likes Received:
    6,315
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It would be easy to prove me wrong. I've asked a lot of people to do it, but nobody has yet. Can you?
     
  16. Bruno_Sabino

    Bruno_Sabino From Brasil (Belem-PA)

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2018
    Messages:
    390
    Likes Received:
    593
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Brasil
    Another embarrassing loss in the playoffs on Stotts.

    guess what: Check his playoff record with loss with 10+ plus points. He has a ton and Dame have the same because only played with Stotts.
     
  17. Bruno_Sabino

    Bruno_Sabino From Brasil (Belem-PA)

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2018
    Messages:
    390
    Likes Received:
    593
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Brasil
    Best comment
     
    Tince likes this.
  18. brooklynballer

    brooklynballer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    638
    Likes Received:
    941
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I named two. Are you blind? Or do you have a reading comprehension issue? Or do you just choose to ignore parts of my post that don’t align with your narrative? Anyways, I’m done listening to your nonsensical drivel. You haven’t made one legitimate argument for why Stotts should keep his job or why he is even an average NBA coach, so make your case to someone who gives a shit.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
  19. brooklynballer

    brooklynballer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    638
    Likes Received:
    941
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I don’t think he understands sarcasm. Whoosh!
     
  20. AmirIcon

    AmirIcon Harbinger of Light

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,926
    Likes Received:
    2,460
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know what's lower, the president's IQ or Terry Stotts' playoff winning percentage.
     

Share This Page