What player addition added the most wins to their team?

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  1. BrewCityBuck

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    We all make a big deal about the big additions made during this offseason, what ones are going to payoff the most? I'm going to list the players/team, you tell me how many wins you think they add. Rashard Lewis, Orlando - Greg Oden, Portland - Ray Allen, Boston - Kevin Durant, Seattle - Zach Randolph, New York - Al Hordford/Law, Atlanta -
     
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    I think Rashard Lewis will make the biggest impact. All Orlando was missing last season was another solid scoring option, and Lewis fits that roll nicely. He'll come in and give the Magic a very good outside scoring option and compliment Howard's frontcourt offense very nicely.
     
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    Does this also include other team aquisitions during the off-season? I'll do how ever much I think the record will change because I'm pretty sure that Seattle has no intention of winning games this up-coming season after trading away Allen and Lewis. Also, many of these teams have gotten better by more than one aquisition, the Magic also added Stan Van Gundy who will be an amazing upgrade from Brian Hill.Rashard Lewis, Orlando - From: 40-42 // To: 47-35Greg Oden, Portland - From: 32-50 // To: 40-42Ray Allen, Boston - From: 24-58 // To: 43-39Kevin Durant, Seattle - From: 31-51 // To: 24-58Zach Randolph, New York - From: 33-49 // To: 41-41Al Hordford/Law, Atlanta - From: 30-52 // To: 38-44The biggest impact of a single player to a team will be Rashard Lewis. His perimiter jump shooting is exactly what Orlando needs. He will compliment Dwight Howard amazingly.
     
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    Ray Allen in Boston. Not just because of him, but because of the fact that all of their players were injured last season, and as long as they stay somewhat injury free next year, I think they're a playoff team. Ray Allen gives them the best shooting in the League, instant offense, and the 2nd best scoring trio in the League. They'll go from being the 2nd worst team in the League to a potential playoff team.
     
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    Ray Allen. You can't improve much more from 24 wins when you add a 7-time all-star. I'm gonna say Greg Oden and the Trailblazers and Rashard Lewis and the Magic as well.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 16 2007, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen. You can't improve much more from 24 wins when you add a 7-time all-star. I'm gonna say Greg Oden and the Trailblazers and Rashard Lewis and the Magic as well.</div>I don't think the direct addition of Ray Allen will help the Celtics as much as having a healthy year. This season Boston should have won at least 35 games but injuries destroyed them. Ray Allen wil definetely contribute to the Celtics likely making the playoffs, but it wasn't the sole addition of Allen that will take the team from 24 wins to a .500+ team.
     
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    I agree with CB4's post 100%.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 16 2007, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen. You can't improve much more from 24 wins when you add a 7-time all-star. I'm gonna say Greg Oden and the Trailblazers and Rashard Lewis and the Magic as well.</div>I wouldn't say Portland is gonna improve their record a great deal this season. I do think that they are destined for greatness down the line, but I don't know if Oden is gonna take that team to the playoffs in year one. I doubt it happens, although I do think that they have an outside shot. I think they'll be a real threat in 2-3 years.
     
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    I'd say Rashard...but I think his contract is one of the most absurd ones I've ever seen. I thought it was going to be 90 million for 6 years, not 113 million for 6 years. At the end of his contract he'll be making 24 million in a year, and he's not even an allstar.
     
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    Boston should have the most drastic turnaround but its not all going to be due to Allen. I see them as at least a 50 win team next year, but alot of it has to do with Pierce returning,Jefferson making the allstar game, and rajon showing signs of coming onto his own. Another legit option definately helps them though.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 16 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boston should have the most drastic turnaround but its not all going to be due to Allen. I see them as at least a 50 win team next year, but alot of it has to do with Pierce returning,Jefferson making the allstar game, and rajon showing signs of coming onto his own. Another legit option definately helps them though.</div>I doubt they will be a 50 win team, and definately not an atleast 50 win team. Think about, teams in the East really don't win 50 games like that. This past season they only had three teams touch 50 wins, and I doubt we will see any more than three teams touch 50 wins this next season in the East. First off the Celtics are not a good defensive team, they are not a good rebounding team, and they have a liability for a coach. He is going to hold them back from being one of the best teams in the league, because he won't give the roleplayers around Allen, Pierce and Jefferson the right kind of time to make consistent contributions. I really believe that this will be a low 40 win team for this upcoming season.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jul 16 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I doubt they will be a 50 win team, and definately not an atleast 50 win team. Think about, teams in the East really don't win 50 games like that. This past season they only had three teams touch 50 wins, and I doubt we will see any more than three teams touch 50 wins this next season in the East. First off the Celtics are not a good defensive team, they are not a good rebounding team, and they have a liability for a coach. He is going to hold them back from being one of the best teams in the league, because he won't give the roleplayers around Allen, Pierce and Jefferson the right kind of time to make consistent contributions. I really believe that this will be a low 40 win team for this upcoming season.</div>Look at them, they have a young pg with a shitload of potential, a swingman shooter, a superstar sf,an allstar center, and an improving center who is not a bad rebounder.Considering the year before last Al Jefferson did nothing, they had no sg, and their best pg was delonte west yet they still won 35 games, I dont think 50 games is out of the question at all. I've seen the celtics go further with less, but they were injured/tanking last season.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 16 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Rashard...but I think his contract is one of the most absurd ones I've ever seen. I thought it was going to be 90 million for 6 years, not 113 million for 6 years. At the end of his contract he'll be making 24 million in a year, and he's not even an allstar.</div>Lewis actually did play in the All-Star game in 2005. I didn't know he was making $113 million, and if that's the case, I do agree that they overpayed him. Hopefully, he plays to his contract.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 16 2007, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at them, they have a young pg with a shitload of potential,</div>Exactly, he has potential. That potential may or may not show this year. Potential doesn't win you 50 games.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>an allstar center</div>Who would that be?50 games is out of the question IMO. Like Valo said, only the elite teams in the East win 50 games, and I don't consider the Celtics an elite team. The teams that do however win 50 games usually do it behind great coaches. Who would the Celtics' great coach be? I don't see Ray Allen leading this team from 24 wins to 50+. The Celtics still have some problems they need to fix. They aren't a good defensive team and lack depth, and the teams that win 50+ games usually excell in those two categories.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 16 2007, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at them, they have a young pg with a shitload of potential, a swingman shooter, a superstar sf,an allstar center, and an improving center who is not a bad rebounder.Considering the year before last Al Jefferson did nothing, they had no sg, and their best pg was delonte west yet they still won 35 games, I dont think 50 games is out of the question at all. I've seen the celtics go further with less, but they were injured/tanking last season.</div>Just because every position looks good, does not mean that they are going to click, or things are going to go right. They wasn't tanking the entire season, and up until Paul Pierce got hurt they still wasn't playing well. That tanking and injuries can only go so far, as they wasn't at a winning record before all of that started happening. Doc Rivers was doing crazy substitutions, and using his players to long in the second half of games without any breaks, he was still playing favorites like Scalabrine. They still wasn't a good rebounding team, they still wasn't a good defensive team. Sure Ray Allen will help them score alot more points, but he doesn't improve them in any of those area's they was worst at. Plus with every other team in the Eastern Conference improving also, it's not like they are the only team that improved. All of the other teams are getting better, and will be able to beat them, so that is going to hurt them running off to 50 wins. I think 50 wins is way out of the question for them.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 16 2007, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at them, they have a young pg with a shitload of potential, a swingman shooter, a superstar sf,an allstar center, and an improving center who is not a bad rebounder.Considering the year before last Al Jefferson did nothing, they had no sg, and their best pg was delonte west yet they still won 35 games, I dont think 50 games is out of the question at all. I've seen the celtics go further with less, but they were injured/tanking last season.</div>Remember that nearly all of the Celtics role players are still too young to contribute the amount that other role players on 50 win teams do. They have a solid core in Jefferson, Allen, and Pierce but remember that it will take time for the team to mesh at the beggining of the season.When a star player is aquired it always takes time for a team to adapt; which is why we saw the Bulls go 3-9 to begin the season. Also, remember that the Celtics coach is still Doc Rivers. Despite getting along with the players for the most part, he's still one of the weakest coaches in the NBA and will continue to hurt the Celtics.The Celtics could be anywhere in the 40 win range for me but I can't see 50 wins happening while Rajon Rondo, Allan Ray, Gabe Pruitt, Glen Davis, Gerald Green, Kendrick Perkins, and even somewhat Ryan Gomes are all still developing.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 16 2007, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, he has potential. That potential may or may not show this year. Potential doesn't win you 50 games.Who would that be?50 games is out of the question IMO. Like Valo said, only the elite teams in the East win 50 games, and I don't consider the Celtics an elite team. The teams that do however win 50 games usually do it behind great coaches. Who would the Celtics' great coach be? I don't see Ray Allen leading this team from 24 wins to 50+. The Celtics still have some problems they need to fix. They aren't a good defensive team and lack depth, and the teams that win 50+ games usually excell in those two categories.</div>I typoed Allstar center, I meant allstar PF in Jefferson. Everyone talks about how doc coaches them so poorly but they did make the playoffs under doc when they had antonie walker only and no more defense then they do now. Argueably the east was just as strong then because Miami was stronger, as was detroit, and indiana.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 16 2007, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I typoed Allstar center, I meant allstar PF in Jefferson. Everyone talks about how doc coaches them so poorly but they did make the playoffs under doc when they had antonie walker only and no more defense then they do now. Argueably the east was just as strong then because Miami was stronger, as was detroit, and indiana.</div>Al Jefferson has never made the All-Star team. The Celtics don't have the depth or defense to win 50 games. They are full of young developing players on their bench. You mentioned Rondo as the playmaker for the Celtics, but what has he proven yet? Sure, he has potential, but until he's proven he can lead a team, I won't believe it.
     
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    I can see the Celtics making an improvement over last season but I doubt they'll be over .500...ill give them 40 wins tops but they will probably be around the 30 mark. People cite their bench as one of their strong points but all they have are alot of young players with potential, like Powe or Green for example, they're nice assets to have on a team but I dont see them coming off the bench to change the game. My pick would go to the Magic with the addition of Lewis for most improved.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 16 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Al Jefferson has never made the All-Star team. The Celtics don't have the depth or defense to win 50 games. They are full of young developing players on their bench. You mentioned Rondo as the playmaker for the Celtics, but what has he proven yet? Sure, he has potential, but until he's proven he can lead a team, I won't believe it.</div>Al Jefferson will be on the allstar team this coming season. that is what I was implying. They have every piece they need. a swingman,superstar, and a star big man. we will see who was wrong once the season begins. Rondo will be all the pg they need under this heavy offense, add to it they have gerald green,gomes,telfair and others are the bench they are ready to make the leap, especially with a guy like ray allen who brings alot of leadership to the table.Like I said, the celtics made it to 45+ wins with less talent then this team has, they are going to be a 50 win team or if not close I believe. Their only problem the past few seasons is that pierce has had to do the entire workload offensively but with 3 legit scorers that wont be a problem anymore.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 16 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Al Jefferson has never made the All-Star team. The Celtics don't have the depth or defense to win 50 games. They are full of young developing players on their bench. You mentioned Rondo as the playmaker for the Celtics, but what has he proven yet? Sure, he has potential, but until he's proven he can lead a team, I won't believe it.</div>He's proven more than any PG in his draft class has. He's proven he has basketball instincts and knows how to find his teammates. The thing that makes me smile is he's the youngest player on the team and is already one of the most mature.What PG in the 06 draft class is as defensively sound as him, has a nose for the ball like him and made the type of smart plays he did? I will admit though he'll never be what we hope unless he can develop a somewhat average jumpshot but that may not matter because of the type of players around him. He can just drive (which he seems do very easily) and kick out to PP or Ray Allen.I'm uploading a video of a few plays showing his basketball instincts. I'll post it in the NBA Media Section and update this post with the link.
     

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