Whats killin the rockets

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  1. YugoRocketsFan

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    What's killing the Rockets

    What's killing the rockets are the 3 pointers i see jim jackson attempting 8, 3 pointers. He only makes about like 1-3 seriously van gundy needs to tell jackson to stop attempting 3 pointers and we aren't making enough free throws i mean the rockets are a good free throw shooting team and if you look at the bob cats game we lost u see our 3 point field goal percentage is like 35.8 but if you look at the bob cats they had 50 ! when we played them you see what i mean the less 3 pointers you make the higher chance u have of making them, only make 3 pointers when you need to or if youre leading by 20
     
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    Well yeah you're right, JJ takes way too many three point shots and he doesn't make that many either, but the blame also goes to out Power Forwards don't really look like they're giving 100% on the court and we often underestimate teams when we play them..
     
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    Well yeah you're right, JJ takes way too many three point shots and he doesn't make that many either, but the blame also goes to out Power Forwards don't really look like they're giving 100% on the court and we often underestimate teams when we play them..
     
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    Van Gundy doesn't know how to motivate. From what I can tell, he works a lot like my high school coach in that he's very hard headed because his system has worked before FOR OTHER PLAYERS IN THE PAST, and he can't/won't change his system to fit his players. It brings everyone's game down and is really unnecessary.

    I realize the Rockets don't have the players to run and gun, but look at some of the best teams in the league...

    Seattle, Phoenix, Sacramento, Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland...

    Those teams are winning by outscoring their opponents rather than trying to grind out wins, which Van Gundy does, and eventually just ends up grinding out losses. So while those teams let the game come to them and let their superstars run free with the flow of the game, the Rockets take two of the best offensive players at their respective positions and slow the game to a crawl so they can struggle. You'll notice that even Yao is more effective in games that have a nice pace to them.

    Van Gundy is a smart guy, I really believe that, but he's also hard-headed. He needs to use those smarts to teach a different style. However, he recently said "I've changed enough" in an article I read, so I don't see anything changing on that front anytime soon. I guess it's not "like brother, like brother" because Stan seems to get it...
     
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    i also dont understand whats with the pistons this year last year they played like reall good
     
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    and also why dont rockets give the bench a chance to make points if you look at bob cats they had like 30 bench points and rockets had a sad 3
     
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    Well thats because our bench was rather...eh, but now we have Nachbar back, the bench points should raise..a lil..
     
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    Our bench is horrible, period. There isn't a single player on the bench that can consistently score 10 points, grab some rebounds, or dish out some assists. The only players I can think of that are only decent on our bench are probably Taylor or Howard, Weatherspoon (although we have yet to utilize him), and Padgett (same situation as Spoon). Plus, Howard and Taylor are so overpaid for their lackluster games that it's really killing our team. I would probably pay them half of what their current salary for the current performance for our team. Nachbar has yet to show me something. I mean, his shots are so inconsistent-one night he explodes with 3/4 shooting at the 3 point line while others he has 1/5 shooting. Ward hasn't been doing anything special on the bench either aside from taking the ball up the court and knocking down one or two shots. Theres just no drive in our team. No agressiveness. Thats why the Bobcats beat us those times. They have a drive to win with a bunch of players that hustle. We don't, I mean, we may have the skill and size with McGrady and Yao, but without agressiveness or a desire to win, we're nothing. Thats what our bench are right now.
     
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    I think JVG's coahing style hurts them a lot. He wants them in a slow down game when they only have two players that really play well in that type of play. They are a more athletic team that perform better in transition.
     
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    i actually dont think its jvg its our players if you look at them they miss way too many shots and try to make wayyy to many 3 pointers
     
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    Yugo, what is your obsession with the 3-point shooting? It hasn't been that bad...

    In fact we have about 5 guys shooting in low-mid 30%'s or better, with Nachbar in the 40's. How can I explain this to you...?

    Shoot 50% from 2, and out of 6 shots you will make 3, giving you 6 points (2pts x 3).

    Shoot 33% from 3, and out of 6 shots you will make 2, giving you 6 points (3pts x 2).

    Therefore, a player shooting 33% from 3 is basically equivalent to a player shooting 50% from 2, which very few players do. So, having about 5 guys shooting 3's in the low-mid 30's is not a bad thing. Add one more to that if you want to count Maurice Taylor (.429)

    As far as shooting too many 3's, Tracy shoots too many jumpers period, so put that argument aside. Jim Jackson is there to hit 3's, and he showed last year that he could do quite a good job at it, so don't complain. Each of those players is shooting about 5 per game which is understandable since McGrady has the ball in his hands so much, especially running off picks at the top of the key and/or with the shot clock winding down. Jim obviously isn't overshooting because that's his job. Charlie Ward averages less than 2 attempts per game and nobody else even averages 1.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">I think JVG's coahing style hurts them a lot. He wants them in a slow down game when they only have two players that really play well in that type of play. They are a more athletic team that perform better in transition.</div>

    great observation. i always felt whenever the rockets run their offensive sets, they dont really look comfortable, and more than often it always ends up with yao or tracy running an isolation play. JVG is one of those stubborn coaches who stick to one systen throughout his career.
    to improve themselves, JVG has to take more risks by trying to push the ball forward, instead of playing a slow down game.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i actually dont think its jvg its our players if you look at them they miss way too many shots and try to make wayyy to many 3 pointers</div>

    ok well try to back up your arguement with stats and facts. u been claiming the rockets have been shooting way too many treys, but i have yet to see any support for this. have you noticed the glaring defensive defiencies at the point guard and power forward positions? i guess not. remember defence is as important as offence too, if not more
     
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    We've always been a three-point team, and it was clear at the beginning of the season that we would be attempting quite a fair amount of threes. With our offense being centered around Yao Ming, a post player, and T-Mac, a slasher, it is obvious that there would be many open men around the perimeter when Yao and T-mac kick it out after being double-teamed. Only problem right now is that Jackson is down about 5 percent from last season, but 35% is still very respectable. Ward, Jackson, Barrett, Nachbar and Padgett can all go 4-5 from three on certain nights, albeit quite inconsistently.
     
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    looking at the box score of the bobcats rockets game i think we attempt too many 3 pointers
     
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    Against Charlotte, we attempted 23 three-pointers. But so what? It's alright to me as long as we don't do it every game. For example, the Lakers attempted 36 threes tonight in their loss to the Heat, but no one would blame them as long as they do not attempt as many in the future.
     
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    yea but the bob cats attempted 10 but we almost had the same made 3 pointers
     
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    Well at first I agreed about the 3pt attempts, but now i'm reading the other posts, i've changed my mind, lets say you had a good chance to get a 3 ball in or you were open, wouldn't you shoot the 3? sometimes the shots just don't fall...Also Jim Jackson has a pretty good 3pt percentage....
     
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    i say trade jim jackson for vladimir radmanovic
     
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    Just asking but are you just trying to get alot of posts? I mean sometimes you post something, then about 5 minutes later you post something again when no one has replied, just edit your posts..if you aren't trying to just increase your post count then my apologies..
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting YugoRocketsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">whats killing the rockets are the 3 pointers i see jim jackson attempting 8 3 pointers and he only makes like 1-3 seriously van gundy needs to tell jackson to stop making 3 pointers and we arent makin enough free throws i mean the rockets are a good free throw shooting team and if you look at the bob cats game we lost u see our 3 point fg percentage is like 35.8 but if you look at the bob cats they had 50 ! when we played them u see what i mean the less 3 pointers u make the higher chance u have of making them only make 3 pointers when you need to or if youre leading by 20</div>
    Tell us something we don't know.. [​IMG] ..you gave no suggestions on improvements either..just complaints [​IMG]
     

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