I've thought about this alot, and islam almost seems most logical to me. although the extremists ruin the image, islam is realistic to human standards. it aknowledges other religions, but it says that it's the last chance, or something close to it. what i'm saying is based on what i've learned in history and stuff like that. Although baptism does make alot of sense. or the bible does. there's been documents proving the existence of jesus.
i remember something like mohammed saying that judiasm and christianity were legit, but that Islam was the last chance to get into heaven or something. Blaze, help me out?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 4 2006, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i remember something like mohammed saying that judiasm and christianity were legit, but that Islam was the last chance to get into heaven or something. Blaze, help me out?</div>Judasim and christianity were corrupted from their original teachings and God sent another prophet to remind them of the true teachings. Once god sent another prophet, the other scriptures become almost outdated and now the people had to follow the new teachings. Islam isn't new, it's a continuation of the previous prophets teachings.
Jesus existing doesn't explain the bible. There is still the Old Testament which had almost nothing to do with Jesus.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 4 2006, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i remember something like mohammed saying that judiasm and christianity were legit, but that Islam was the last chance to get into heaven or something. Blaze, help me out?</div>Melo got it right. :biggrin: I am Muslim, so I do believe Islam is most logical out of the original religons.
Isalm makes loads of sense. it also says to slit the throats of christians, cut off the arms of people who steal from you, and encoruages you to terroizie those who dont listen to you.make loads of sense to me.
Dont say anything unless you know what you're talking about. Im not an Atheist, never will be one and don't want to be one.
i know exactly what im talking aboutno religions make sensei mean no offense to anybody who believes in religion but how can you believe in any of that garbage?it's one thing to believe in God and a heaven but another thing to believe that people walked on water and split a whole sea of wateri guess Islam makes the most sense out of them even though it seems hard to believe that an Angel came and told Mohammad that stuffbut on human standards yes it makes sense
I am Muslim. That makes some since and from the little bit I know so does Judaism. It's Christianity that really confuses me and I don't believe in their belief of Jesus, but we'll all see soon enough I guess. I'm not really that religious, but I doubt that any God would put a good person in hell if you don't believe Jesus was his son or if you don't follow all the rules of Islam.
i can understand someone not buying some of the bible stuff, but to believe there is no greater powers controlling the universe is just naive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 4 2006, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isalm makes loads of sense. it also says to slit the throats of christians, cut off the arms of people who steal from you, and encoruages you to terroizie those who dont listen to you.make loads of sense to me.</div>Please, when you know nothing about something don't stereotype it, and don't act as if you know a damn thing about it.You don't make any sense yourself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 4 2006, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isalm makes loads of sense. it also says to slit the throats of christians, cut off the arms of people who steal from you, and encoruages you to terroizie those who dont listen to you.make loads of sense to me.</div>Please enlighten us - show us exactly where it says "slit the throats of christians", "cut of the arms of the people who steal from you" and how it encourages us to terrorize people...I myself, who follows and reads the Qur'an have never heard or seen anything like that in my life. If you're going to comment on a Religion than at least be accurate. to get an accurate description of Islam I advice all of you interested to visit: www.sultan.orgIt's cool cause it compares Islam to all religions - its a good site....About Christianity - the only thing that really confuses me is how Jesus (a human) can be regarded as a God - If he was a God than how could be be crucified and ultimately killed? God is immortal. Also - I don't understand the Holy Spirit thing. I don't know - I'm not that knowledgeable about Christianity, but that one thing about Jesus getting killed and than being regarded as a god is what really gets me.
I don't think any religion is really 'logical'...it twists logic and makes people think outside of the normal reality.
Quran 9:80Whether you ask forgiveness for them, or you don't, even if you ask forgiveness for them 70 times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah doesn't guide wicked people.Quran 9:5Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.Quran 9:39If you do not go to war, He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. You cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things.Quran 9:113It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire.Quran 5:33The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;Quran 2:216Warfare is ordained for you, even if you don't like it; but it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.Quran 8:39And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.Quran 4:74Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.Quran 8:65O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.Quran 8:67It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.Quran 9:123O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).Quran 2:244Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.Quran 2:193And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.Quran 4:89They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,Quran 2:191Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.Quran 3:85He that chooses a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the next life he will among the losers.Quran 9:29Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.Quran 9:41Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and with your persons. This will be best for you, if you but knew.Quran 9:73Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home, and evil fate.Quran 9:111Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.Quran 7:179And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones. You musnt read the Quran alot.
