Who Starts At the 2 spot for the suns Who starts, Penny or Joe Johnson. I would like an honest answer and a good reason why.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pennyhardaway:</div><div class="quote_post">Who starts, Penny or Joe Johnson. I would like an honest answer and a good reason why.</div>If I am not mistaken this isn't the first time we have discussed the matter in this forum. Before we get down to the nitty-gritty I would like to point out to everyone that "pennyhardaway" asked, "Who starts at the two spot for the Suns?" and not, "Who should start at the two spot for the Suns?" So basically this thread requires no personal opinions. That means if you don't have a definite answer with a link to support it then don't bother posting in this thread. Here is your answer, "pennyhardaway". According to ESPN's Insider Depth Charts, Penny Hardaway will start over Joe Johnson heading into the 2003-2004 season. http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=1221787#pho
Penny and JJ both played great in the summer league. Penny will definetly start at the 2, but unless he pulls a Coleman or Mashburn and is reborn again I doubt he will see more than 25mpg. I hope that Penny can stay healthy and prove me wrong. JJ will be solid off the bench, possibly 6th MOTY.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWillTheFreak:</div><div class="quote_post">Joe Johnson will start becuase they play better with him.</div>I am sorry, but I posted a factual link which shows you the Phoenix Suns' depth chart for you to enjoy. Please read it before posting such nonsense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">I am sorry, but I posted a factual link which shows you the Phoenix Suns' depth chart for you to enjoy. Please read it before posting such nonsense.</div> Easy Bigshot! All u do is cut people up and never agree with anything! <font color="blue">Edited. Personal attacks are allowed here at JustBBall. If you have a problem with a poster or a moderator please PM me. Thanks-dexter</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Raindrops:</div><div class="quote_post">Easy Bigshot! All u do is cut people up and never agree with anything! <font color="blue">Edited. Personal attacks are allowed here at JustBBall. If you have a problem with a poster or a moderator please PM me. Thanks-dexter</font></div> I didn't know that I was a "Bigshot". I am quite flattered. When I believe I am right I will let it be known. If that means I have to "cut people up" then so be it. I am not here to play games all day with happy face smilies. I am here to have intelligent discussion about basketball, and I will do whatever it takes to keep it that way. Also, I don't disagree with everything. I only respond to about 2% of the threads in this forum everyday. There are many threads to which I have not replied because I agree with everything in them and find posts like, "I agree!", completely pointless.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Raindrops:</div><div class="quote_post">Easy Bigshot! All u do is cut people up and never agree with anything! <font color="blue">Edited. Personal attacks are allowed here at JustBBall. If you have a problem with a poster or a moderator please PM me. Thanks-dexter</font></div> What did wave do that was wrong? what he said was right..the Suns record with Penny as a starter is much better than with Joe Johnson...Early in the season when Penny was heathly they were a top 4 seed I believe..he got injuried=out 6 weeks and they end up battling for the 8th seed.
have u ever made a post thats not about penny hardaway? and for the purposes of this thread, in a young team like the suns in a tough western conference, penny will start bcos of experience, joe johnson's had a few good games at the end of last season
Records don't really mean anything. I'm pretty sure that the Lakers record was better with Mark Madsen as a Starter than it was with Robert Horry (percentage-wise), but if you're Phil would you make Madsen a starter? Anyone can post a link that answers a question. But as a moderator wave should have realized that doing so defeats the purpose of the forum. People don't come here for answers to their questions, they come here for the debate aspect.
Records mean anything? they do when it decides a team's playoff spot...Don't compare Madsen to Horry..as it is totally difference....Those two players don't depend on how good Lakers record is...Penny is a vet..that has given them a boost with his experience and all-round game...Suns are a better team with him starting than without him....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Records mean anything? they do when it decides a team's playoff spot...Don't compare Madsen to Horry..as it is totally difference....Those two players don't depend on how good Lakers record is...Penny is a vet..that has given them a boost with his experience and all-round game...Suns are a better team with him starting than without him....</div> That example was posted to prove a point. Think about what you just said. Look at the stats for these two players (penny and jj) and tell me why penny's are better. "He's a vet so blah-blah-blah." "Record's determine playoff spots...." Do you really think that a single vet is going to make that much of a difference, IN THE WEST. I guess that must be why the Spurs took the crown, because they had (veteran) Kevin Willis getting dunked on by sophmores like RJ.
What are you on about? Penny didn't give them just experience/being a vet..he brought them good stats to help out Marbury,Marion and Amare..14,4 and 4 numbers are pretty damn good...He isn't just a guy like Madsen who makes no difference to a team....You clearly mis-understood what my post was saying....With Penny they were the 4th seed..without him they manage to hold on to the 8th seed...He is a factor in their team...and they needed him to be a high seed...but sadly he got injuried
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you on about? Penny didn't give them just experience/being a vet..he brought them good stats to help out Marbury,Marion and Amare..14,4 and 4 numbers are pretty damn good...He isn't just a guy like Madsen who makes no difference to a team....You clearly mis-understood what my post was saying....With Penny they were the 4th seed..without him they manage to hold on to the 8th seed...He is a factor in their team...and they needed him to be a high seed...but sadly he got injuried</div> First of all, those are not his stats he only averaged 10 ppg, as did jj. If we are going to have an intelligent conversation don't post untruths. Do you really think that the Suns would have kept the 4th seed? Honestly, they struggled to even make the playoffs near the end! Penny is a 4th option, and not much better (if any) than jj who had near identical stats.
Wrong His stats were 14,4 and 4 If i remember correctly before he got injuried....then when he came back they dropped as it took time for him to play his normal amount of minutes...Would Suns of kept the 4th seed? likely hood no... they wouldn't...but they could of got 6th seed at least instead of getting 8th spot in the last week on the season....He brought alot to their team....not just stats
So now you're admitting that they wouldn't have kept the 4th seed even if Penny had been there? So why the hell did you bring that up to begin with?? Let's look at how this arguement has gone; First you said; "Penny is a vet..that has given them a boost with his experience." The I pointed out that not all vets actually help their teams. You responded with; "Penny didn't give them just experience/being a vet..he brought them good stats" Then I pointed out that his stats weren't all that great. You then said; "He brought alot to their team....not just stats." So WHAT exactly did he bring their team? Cuz you haven't showed me any examples of anything, <font color="Red">EDIT</font> Stop changing your argument everytime that you paint your <font color="Red">EDIT</font> into a corner.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So now you're admitting that they wouldn't have kept the 4th seed even if Penny had been there? So why the hell did you bring that up to begin with??</div> Because thats how well Suns did with Penny...but dropped without him that was the whole point...I fail to see yours... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Then I pointed out that his stats weren't all that great. You then said; "He brought alot to their team....not just stats." So WHAT exactly did he bring their team? Cuz you haven't showed me any examples of anything, moron. Stop changing your argument everytime that you paint your uneducated ass into a corner.</div> His stats were pretty good for a 4th option and a vet.....and he helped their team...he helped their young guys....he brought leadership..abit of scoring..reboounding and still dissed out assists...My arguement has not changed.....undeducated? coming from a guy who has made no valid point why Joe Johnson should start..and why Suns record with Penny was better..you are also the same guy who thinks Blazers will finisher higher than the Kings...even after a terrible off-season Oh and another thing....Don't make me have to edit your post again because of insults...It makes your arguement worse when you insult any user here....Insulting people is against the rules here..So please follow them
LOL. Okay so even though you admitted that with Penny healthy they wouldn't have kept the 4th seed, you are still going to attribute their prior 4th seed ranking to him?? After claiming that he brought more to their team than veteranship and stats, you proceed to say things like; "His stats were pretty good for a 4th option and a vet.....and he helped their team...he helped their young guys....he brought leadership..abit of scoring..reboounding and still dissed out assists..." BTW what does "dissed out assists" mean??!! All of that quote dealt with stats, and the fact that he's a vet. So I'll ask once again, what ELSE did he do for their team? For the record, my comment about you being uneducated was based highly out your inability to spell. Not only in your posts, but also in your profile? Ex. "Weaknesses: Not getting back on defence quick enough...." What's 'defence'?? lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. Okay so even though you admitted that with Penny healthy they wouldn't have kept the 4th seed, you are still going to attribute their prior 4th seed ranking to him??</div> No but he was a factor in that....They need Penny in the team....ask any Suns player or fan...JJ is a good young player that will start soon enough..but Penny did bring leadership to that team..He helped the young guys along... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW what does "dissed out assists" mean??!! For the record, my comment about you being uneducated was based highly out your inability to spell. Not only in your posts, but also in your profile?</div> Sorry dished out assists...I write too quickly alot of the time...It's nothing to do with how good or Bad my spelling is...I write quickly as I said....To me a message board is a message board...I don't go out of my way to be prefect on here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All of that quote dealt with stats, and the fact that he's a vet. So I'll ask once again, what ELSE did he do for their team?</div> Read the above....It is hard to explain to you how he makes their team better....Leadership,teaching the young guys....playing a soild all-round game goes towards being a key member of the Suns team....
[quote name='allnet']To me a message board is a message board...I don't go out of my way to be prefect on here.QUOTE] 'Prefect'? lol, I quit, you win. hahaha.
