WTF, vince and rj played 40 minutes each last night against the fuckin bucks. WTF, we need to improve our position in the lotto, these game have no value. vince and rj should be sitting out and might as well sit out boki seeing as he has a chronic back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Apr 13 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WTF, vince and rj played 40 minutes each last night against the fuckin bucks. WTF, we need to improve our position in the lotto, these game have no value. vince and rj should be sitting out and might as well sit out boki seeing as he has a chronic back.</div> because players and coaches are performing for a job next year. as a fan, it's easy to want the team to tank--I want it myself--but the players have quite different interests.
Even if we played our worst players most of the game, I still think we'd have a good chance at beating the depleted Bucks. And maybe they just want to tank more than them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Apr 13 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WTF, vince and rj played 40 minutes each last night against the fuckin bucks. WTF, we need to improve our position in the lotto, these game have no value. vince and rj should be sitting out and might as well sit out boki seeing as he has a chronic back.</div> This will allow Franks to say we finished on a good note, we're in the right direction. And who cares what's gonna happen in half of the year.
I'm hoping for the higher pick now that they have been eliminated, but I understand they aren't just going to roll over for the other teams, especially one like the bucks. I would, however, like to see Ager and Sean Williams get more minutes. It would be nice to see if Ager can be a part of the rotation next year, and Williams needs time on the floor to continue to learn and get better. Hopefully it can help fix all of his mental mistakes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean didn't even play last night, wtf</div> Frank is probably trying to toughen him up for next year. Trying to tell him indirectly that he needs to earn his playing time and minutes aren't just given to you. I kind of agree with it, if that's Frank's thought process.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean didn't even play last night, wtf</div> Frank is probably trying to toughen him up for next year. Trying to tell him indirectly that he needs to earn his playing time and minutes aren't just given to you. I kind of agree with it, if that's Frank's thought process. </div> i guess idk
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean didn't even play last night, wtf</div> Frank is probably trying to toughen him up for next year. Trying to tell him indirectly that he needs to earn his playing time and minutes aren't just given to you. I kind of agree with it, if that's Frank's thought process. </div> I completely disagree with it, and think it's retarded to give him 0 minutes. He's a good player, he's talented...why not give him the minutes? The only thing you're doing is pissing him off.
Well, for one, tanking games is illegal under the NBA rules. But beyond that, it would be very difficult for the Nets to gain even the smallest advantage now in the lottery. In the cleanest scenario, the Nets would have to lose both of their games, the Bobcats would have to win both of theirs and the Bulls would have to sweep their final three. The Nets would have to lose to the Bobcats and Celtics to finish at 33-49. The Bobcats would have to beat the Nets and the Sixers to finish at 33-49. The Bulls would have to beat the Magic, the Raptors and the Bucks to finish at 34-48. In that HIGHLY UNLIKELY scenario, the Nets and Bobcats would be tied for 8th and 9th positions in the lottery and share the number of ping pong balls allotted those positions. One team would get 23 balls, the other 22, the extra ball decided by a coin toss Thursday. That would mean one team would have a 2.3% chance, the other 2.2%, at the overall No. 1 and both roughly an 8% chance at getting one of the top three picks. In a somewhat more likely scenario where three teams tie at 33-49--requiring the Nets go 0-2, the Bobcats 2-0 and the Bulls 2-1--then three teams would share the number of ping pong balls, with one team getting one less ball...again to be decided by a coin toss on Thursday. (Coin tosses are required in both cases because the combined number of shared ping pong balls is odd.) That would mean two of the three would have a 1.9% chance, the other a 1.8% of getting the overall No. 1 and both roughly a 7% chance of getting one of the top three picks. That's somewhat better than 10th, which has a 1.1% chance of getting the overall No. 1 and less than 4% of getting one of the top three. Still, we are talking about a difference of 11 ping pong balls AT BEST out of 1,000. And in every scenario, the Bobcats and Bulls would have to cooperate. Finally NO team lower than 7th has ever won the overall No. 1. That jump of six places is also the biggest move up ever in the lottery. That record is held by the Nets, who won the lottery in 2000.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 13 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, for one, tanking games is illegal under the NBA rules.</div> LOL! you think thats gonna stop teams from doing it? didnt the celtics just do it last year? and, playing ager and sean more and resting rj and vc is in the best interest of this team. its foolish not to and moving down ever so slightly is better then moving up
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Apr 13 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 13 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, for one, tanking games is illegal under the NBA rules.</div> LOL! you think thats gonna stop teams from doing it? didnt the celtics just do it last year? and, playing ager and sean more and resting rj and vc is in the best interest of this team. its foolish not to and moving down ever so slightly is better then moving up </div> You're silly.
For the Nets, winning the lottery doesn't just mean the first pick. The second and third picks would also be "wins" for the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 13 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For the Nets, winning the lottery doesn't just mean the first pick. The second and third picks would also be "wins" for the team.</div> In a draft like this, which is both top heavy and without a consensus No. 1 pick, a top three pick is more valuable than it is in most years. BUT...the likelihood of any scenario--either No. 1, 2 or 3--coming out of the hopper, is slim...and would be unprecedented. On the other hand, maintaining professionalism has its own value, particularly with a team of young players. So are you advocating tanking?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 13 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, for one, tanking games is illegal under the NBA rules. But beyond that, it would be very difficult for the Nets to gain even the smallest advantage now in the lottery. In the cleanest scenario, the Nets would have to lose both of their games, the Bobcats would have to win both of theirs and the Bulls would have to sweep their final three. The Nets would have to lose to the Bobcats and Celtics to finish at 33-49. The Bobcats would have to beat the Nets and the Sixers to finish at 33-49. The Bulls would have to beat the Magic, the Raptors and the Bucks to finish at 34-48. In that HIGHLY UNLIKELY scenario, the Nets and Bobcats would be tied for 8th and 9th positions in the lottery and share the number of ping pong balls allotted those positions. One team would get 23 balls, the other 22, the extra ball decided by a coin toss Thursday. That would mean one team would have a 2.3% chance, the other 2.2%, at the overall No. 1 and both roughly an 8% chance at getting one of the top three picks. In a somewhat more likely scenario where three teams tie at 33-49--requiring the Nets go 0-2, the Bobcats 2-0 and the Bulls 2-1--then three teams would share the number of ping pong balls, with one team getting one less ball...again to be decided by a coin toss on Thursday. (Coin tosses are required in both cases because the combined number of shared ping pong balls is odd.) That would mean two of the three would have a 1.9% chance, the other a 1.8% of getting the overall No. 1 and both roughly a 7% chance of getting one of the top three picks. That's somewhat better than 10th, which has a 1.1% chance of getting the overall No. 1 and less than 4% of getting one of the top three. Still, we are talking about a difference of 11 ping pong balls AT BEST out of 1,000. And in every scenario, the Bobcats and Bulls would have to cooperate. Finally NO team lower than 7th has ever won the overall No. 1. That jump of six places is also the biggest move up ever in the lottery. That record is held by the Nets, who won the lottery in 2000.</div> God bless. This is a great post for the fans who want to know the context of winning and losing games for the rest of the year. I'm sure the players don't care about moving up a couple of spot for a rookie next season, that sort of interest is for fans and management. To that end it was never about tanking; rather have faith that we're not good enough to win games.
At this point I've accepted that we will have the 10th, 21st and 40th picks in the NBA draft...but I'm entirely uncomfortable with the direction of this franchise and doubt these picks will make a difference. We are in the position to make a lot of moves right now...but what kills me is this feeling that we'll be making the wrong ones...Frank should be gone next year but he won't, certain players will be kept when they should be dealt and certain players will be dealt we should have kept. Just a feeling I have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 13 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 13 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For the Nets, winning the lottery doesn't just mean the first pick. The second and third picks would also be "wins" for the team.</div> In a draft like this, which is both top heavy and without a consensus No. 1 pick, a top three pick is more valuable than it is in most years. BUT...the likelihood of any scenario--either No. 1, 2 or 3--coming out of the hopper, is slim...and would be unprecedented. On the other hand, maintaining professionalism has its own value, particularly with a team of young players. So are you advocating tanking? </div> Since February
Tanking sure worked for the Celtics and the Grizzlies last year. The Celtics got Greg Oden and the Grizzlies got Kevin Durant. Oh wait...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Apr 13 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tanking sure worked for the Celtics and the Grizzlies last year. The Celtics got Greg Oden and the Grizzlies got Kevin Durant. Oh wait...</div> As if the Knicks aren't going to win the lottery if Zeke is fired
