I can't believe a player of his caliber whines as much as he does. I've seen Duncan more vocal and people give him a hard time. But Kobe goes far and beyond. I've seen him harass refs for at least another offensive possession AFTER he believes he was fouled. There is no way that he shouldn't receive at least 3 "T's" a night in the spirit of the "No Tolerance" rule. Am I saying he doesn't get fouled sometimes? No. But other superstars don't get the call, disagree, and get back on D. At a time out they bring it to the refs attention. Kobe openly disrespects the refs with gestures and mannerisms.
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I can't believe a player of his caliber whines as much as he does. I've seen Duncan more vocal and people give him a hard time. But Kobe goes far and beyond. I've seen him harass refs for at least another offensive possession AFTER he believes he was fouled. There is no way that he shouldn't receive at least 3 "T's" a night in the spirit of the "No Tolerance" rule. Am I saying he doesn't get fouled sometimes? No. But other superstars don't get the call, disagree, and get back on D. At a time out they bring it to the refs attention. Kobe openly disrespects the refs with gestures and mannerisms. </div> Ever watched Dwyane Wade? Dirk? Tim Duncan? a lot of stars complain. Kobe might not be the quickest back on D but singling him out is dumb.
<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What player has never whined?</div> Shane Battier. Grant Hill. Ray Allen.
Ray Allen is the coolest player in the NBA by far. Kobe is the most talented player in the NBA by far as he just had a 50 point game tonight.
Sabretooth is a whiner himself that's why jk man.... but seriously no need to single out KB man...only players that play with passion for the games, would whine and that is usually the best player
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I can't believe a player of his caliber whines as much as he does. I've seen Duncan more vocal and people give him a hard time. But Kobe goes far and beyond. I've seen him harass refs for at least another offensive possession AFTER he believes he was fouled. There is no way that he shouldn't receive at least 3 "T's" a night in the spirit of the "No Tolerance" rule. Am I saying he doesn't get fouled sometimes? No. But other superstars don't get the call, disagree, and get back on D. At a time out they bring it to the refs attention. Kobe openly disrespects the refs with gestures and mannerisms. </div> F!@# you! thats what i say, do you even know what he is saying? most of the time he approaches the ref and politely discusses the call, ive watched him for years he always respects the ref, and refs respect that, so dont come out and talk as if you know what happening out on the court, as if kobe should be T'd up straight away, everyone in the league has respect for the man, just like they do for shaq, lebron and duncan, kobe isnt sheed wallace, he talks with the refs and doesnt shout at them, and dont even start to talk about kobe's D, get it straight man.
Yea, I find his whining annoying, too. But, while its annoying, he's not the worst player that begs for those superstar calls. Vince Carter is the worst, IMO.
i've seen much worse than Kobe. I just hate that "ima kick your ass" look he gives them and runs silently back on D .
I thought this thread meant real crying, I was going to say maybe he's just an emotional guy lol. Who knows, maybe he wants his calls, Wade whines too, so does Duncan, Cassell and Payton sometimes get lost in plays because they're talking to the refs, the list goes on.
Anybody see Antoine Walker whine? His facial expression looks like he's about to break down into tears, lol.
Yeah, Kobe whines alot but its really the refs fault because they appease him and Kobe knows whining works. Look at what it did for him last night, the Lakers came back from down 20+ points and they showed how many times the Lakers have come back from huge deficits just this season. He and Phil Jackson just harrass the refs all day and they give in which usually makes it impossible for teams to hold a lead in the 4th quarter, the basic strategy that I've seen from the Lakers when they're down is to have Phil and Kobe whine and bitch, Kobe literally stop trying to score and just get try to the line. He'll get to the FT line about 10-15 times in the 4th quarter, Kwame and Mihm can go over the back of anyone and knock anyone to the floor without a foul, all of a sudden the game is tied and Kobe actually decides to play and hits the game winning shot(s). It wouldn't be so infuriating if Kobe just played to put the ball in the hoop and beat you, then its a tough los but legit because you got beat, but instead he just flails into big men of the opposing team and goes to the line then your team gets mugged by Kwame on the other end with no foul and the process repeats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can't believe a player of his caliber whines as much as he does. I've seen Duncan more vocal and people give him a hard time. But Kobe goes far and beyond. I've seen him harass refs for at least another offensive possession AFTER he believes he was fouled. There is no way that he shouldn't receive at least 3 "T's" a night in the spirit of the "No Tolerance" rule. Am I saying he doesn't get fouled sometimes? No. But other superstars don't get the call, disagree, and get back on D. At a time out they bring it to the refs attention. Kobe openly disrespects the refs with gestures and mannerisms. </div> while a lot of superstars whine I have to agree that the refs still allow certain players to get away with "whining".....according to the "no tolerance" rule Kobe should've at least gotten 1 technical last night (maybe 2 or 3)......the "superstar" calls carry over to technical fouls also. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">F!@# you! thats what i say, do you even know what he is saying? most of the time he approaches the ref and politely discusses the call, ive watched him for years he always respects the ref, and refs respect that, so dont come out and talk as if you know what happening out on the court, as if kobe should be T'd up straight away, everyone in the league has respect for the man, just like they do for shaq, lebron and duncan, kobe isnt sheed wallace, he talks with the refs and doesnt shout at them, and dont even start to talk about kobe's D, get it straight man. </div> if you removed Kobe's nuts from your face, then maybe you could see other peoples perspectives more clearly....to claim that "most of the time" Kobe politely approaches the ref is total BS....Rasheed Wallace is really no worst than Kobe, or any other superstar, it's just that the refs have it in for him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What player has never whined? </div> there are players who don't whine at every single call...but none of these guys would be on that list.....Duncan, Kobe, Bron, Wade, Shaq, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, Kobe whines alot but its really the refs fault because they appease him and Kobe knows whining works. Look at what it did for him last night, the Lakers came back from down 20+ points and they showed how many times the Lakers have come back from huge deficits just this season. He and Phil Jackson just harrass the refs all day and they give in which usually makes it impossible for teams to hold a lead in the 4th quarter, the basic strategy that I've seen from the Lakers when they're down is to have Phil and Kobe whine and bitch, Kobe literally stop trying to score and just get try to the line. He'll get to the FT line about 10-15 times in the 4th quarter, Kwame and Mihm can go over the back of anyone and knock anyone to the floor without a foul, all of a sudden the game is tied and Kobe actually decides to play and hits the game winning shot(s). It wouldn't be so infuriating if Kobe just played to put the ball in the hoop and beat you, then its a tough los but legit because you got beat, but instead he just flails into big men of the opposing team and goes to the line then your team gets mugged by Kwame on the other end with no foul and the process repeats.</div> If he whines so much, doesn't that mean that call's are constantly given against him?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If he whines so much, doesn't that mean that call's are constantly given against him? </div> not neccessarily.....a lot of superstars whine, because they know that if they continue to do it, that it will eventually work in their favor <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Rasheed, Sam Cassell and Gary Payton cry far more than Kobe.</div> I'm not going to get into who whines more than who, but those 3 can be added to the list also.
<div class="quote_poster">authentiq Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rasheed, Sam Cassell and Gary Payton cry far more than Kobe.</div> Perfect list!!
