Just saw this thread today. I've probably lost a ton of credibility by saying Flip is better than Wade but that is something that I continue to believe. At one point our franchise best player was labeled a bust and we were looking for any reasonable offers to get rid of him. I told people in '93 that Payton would be the best point guard in the NBA, and I was right 3 years later for about a 5 year span. Confidence, toughness, and window for improvement is something that can not be measured. I'm telling yall that Ron Murray is going to make Nate McMillian look incredibly foolish for not giving him any playing time. That bad part about it is that it won't be in a Sonics uniform.