Why Tony Parker is not a Star

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  1. STC

    STC JBB JustBBall Member

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    Tony Parker is one of the best PGs in the NBA, yet he always gets left out when people talk about the best PGs in the NBA, especially the casual fan. Most people will say Stephon Marbury, Jason Kidd, Steve Francis or Baron Davis, but where is Tony Parker?

    I think the reason is that he plays in a small market, and does not have a flashy game. Tony Parker can knock down jumpers, and is a good floor leader. Come playoff time, he is extremely good. Tony Parker already has one championship ring at the age of 23. In the game against the Lakers, he seemed like an old NBA veteran who had been there many times.

    Plus, Tony Parker is not a cocky player, like all the other stars. Even Tony's teammate, Tim Duncan, does not get the publicity that he should because he does not promote himself or anything. Tony Parker can have a great game, without dropping 20 points, or dishing out 10 assists. He can run the pick and roll effectively, and play good defense, and his team wins, and it is a success. Most casual basketball fans, do not care for this type of play.

    Parker doesn't always make the highlight reel with his plays. He doesn't have a "killer cross" or throw down. I think, in a few years, Tony Parker will be considered, one of the top, if not the best PG, in the league. He has shown nice improvements over the last three years, and with all the playoff experience, will only become better.
     
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    I've always liked and appreciated him. I feel he only sees the team and not himself. He doesn't care about stats, he just wants to win. Not only that, he's very good much like you said.

    Great PG, good floor awareness, unselfish. Not forgetting how mature he became after the Kidd trade rumors. He's a real leader, along with Duncan, he provides the tempo, he controls the tempo well for arguably one of the best teams in the league. This includes defense. The most important thing probably is how fast this guy runs, he can outrun and outdrive so many players. He has guts and brains.

    I too see him breaking out and becoming an even better player. Him and Ginobili both. They're already really good, yet are probably able to be even better regardless of that. I see him playing like Rip Hamilton in terms of offense soon enough. The Mid Range jumper.
     
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    Yeah, Parker has a great mid range game, and can drive past nearly any defender. He controls the whole game, and controls the spacing and tempo, which is exactly what a PG should do.
     
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    he's good, but i would still rank these pgs ahead of him in terms of overall scroing and passing ability:

    Kidd
    Francis
    Marbury
    Nash
    Bibby
    Davis
    James
    Cassell

    also, he only averaged 5.5apg for the regular season which ranks him at 16. At the very least you should rank in the top 10 to be considered an elite pg in the league
     
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    he is good but also i think is not a star _eclipse_ say
    Kidd
    Francis
    Marbury
    Nash
    Bibby
    Davis
    James
    Cassell
    i think also are better Andre MIller, Jason Terry,Nick van Exel,Dwayne Wade, Jason Williams(this season) Gary Payton, Gilbert arenas
     
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    I have no idea how you can say Jason Terry. He is like Dajuan Wagner. He cannot be defined as a PG. Let alone NVE, shot selection? Selfishness? Anybody?
     
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    i would say Wade and Arenas, maybe....but Terry, Van Exel can't really be considered pgs...they shoot first and look for team mates later
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">i would say Wade and Arenas, maybe....but Terry, Van Exel can't really be considered pgs...they shoot first and look for team mates later</div>

    So does Cassell, but he is top tier. Parker use to be like that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">i would say Wade and Arenas, maybe....but Terry, Van Exel can't really be considered pgs...they shoot first and look for team mates later</div>


    sounds kinda like Steve Francis and he's on the list too. [​IMG]
     
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    Casell is a shooter but he's always had high assist totals so you can't really say anything about his shooting....as for Stevie he is more suited for sg position but i would still take him over Parker if i needed a pg for my team
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">Casell is a shooter but he's always had high assist totals so you can't really say anything about his shooting....as for Stevie he is more suited for sg position but i would still take him over Parker if i needed a pg for my team</div>

    Mr. Ballhog? Mr. Bad Shot Selection? Mr. Turnover? I'd rather take "Shaq" as my PG than ever let anyone like him be our tempo setter and ball handler. Regardless of how great he is on offense.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">Casell is a shooter but he's always had high assist totals so you can't really say anything about his shooting....as for Stevie he is more suited for sg position but i would still take him over Parker if i needed a pg for my team</div>


    I sure wouldn't take Franchise over Parker. Francis is a terrible open court passer for a supposed PG. His shot selection isn't the best and he's got a gunner mentality.
     
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    he is a shooter but he can also take you off the dribble, drive to the basket or take a jumper....taking a lot of pressure off your other guys for open shots (among other things)

    i don't think he's in the right situation right now, but playing for another team i think he's capable of averaging 20pts,7-8apg which Parker has not shown the ability to do on a consistent basis yet

    i know offence doesn't determine a good point guard but it is one of the factors that can help your team immensely
     
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    I think the following players are better than Tony at this point and time:

    Jason Kidd
    Stephon Marbury
    Mike Bibby
    Steve Nash
    Sam Cassell
    Jason Williams

    Everyone else is either the same as Tony or worse, Tony is a great tempo setter and his quickness is just amazing.
     
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    You guys have to consider that playing with Tim Duncan can make you look better than you really are, or at least make you a better player than you would be otherwise.
     
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    Is everyone forgetting that Tony Parker won the NBA championship? Does that not count for anything at all? I still consider him a top six point guard in the league.

    Why?

    - Runs the pick and roll to perfection. Essential ability if you are a point guard.
    - Makes extremely smart decisions with the basketball (taking the open shot, rotating the ball, penetrating, passing to the post). You can say his basketball IQ is better than the Franchise, Baron Davis, Wade, Terry and Arenas.
    - He's quick and agile, very able in penetrating the lane for the lay-up or drop off to the big man.
    - He's got balls and is not afraid to take the shot to win the game.
    - He consistently breaks down defences and double teams with his quickness and first step.
    - He was only 21 but was still a MAJOR factor in the Spurs winning a championship last year. Without him they would not be champions nor Western Conference champions for that matter.

    My Top 5...
    1)Kidd
    2)Cassell
    3)Bibby
    4)Nash
    5)Marbury
    6)Parker

    If I watch someone play the point guard position, I would expect them to make sound decisions and ultimately do all the things that help my team win. A point guard does not think of himself or his stats. He's unselfish, which is something I can't say for most of the so-called top point guards in this league. Tony Parker has everything I would expect in a complete point guard....<font size="1">now if he can only work on his damn defense.......</font>
     
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    People need to realise TP is still only 21 and will be turning 22 very soon. He will be a top 5 point guard within a year or two, maybe even top 3. The guy knows how to run the offense, play defense and he is so good at attacking the basket off the pick and roll. Because of his age he can get abit out of control but he is still very mature for his age. His jump shot is the most improving part of his game, shot over 68% in the Memphis series and when he gets hot he is very scary to defend. Once he fully develops that three-point shot he will be impossible to guard.

    There was a reason why I said in the off-season that Spurs signing Jason Kidd would be a bad move, Parker is showing me why I made such statements.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Is everyone forgetting that Tony Parker won the NBA championship? Does that not count for anything at all? I still consider him a top six point guard in the league.</div>

    In my original post, I said he won it.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">People need to realise TP is still only 21 and will be turning 22 very soon</div>

    Isn't he 22, going on 23?
     
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    omg arroyo is also better no? Tony Parker is top 5 in my opinion and for sure 1 of the funniest players to watch. Davis, Nash and Francis are not better.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Tony Parker is top 5 in my opinion and for sure 1 of the funniest players to watch.</div>

    What the hell does that mean?
     

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