William Ayers dedicated book to Sirhan Sirhan

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  1. Shooter

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    Obama's buddy William Ayers wrote a book in 1974 which he dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan, the man who assassinated Robert Kennedy. Here's a quote from Pat Caddell, Democrat:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445556,00.html

    Again, these are the kinds of people that Obama associates with: Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Franklin Marshall Davis--all radical extremists who hate America. Does this give any of you Obama supporters even a shred of doubt about the guy?? Any at all . . . ? Even a little? A little tiny bit of doubt? I sure hope so.
     
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    None at all.
     
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    Why in the hell not? If McCain had been hanging out with members of the KKK for years, wouldn't that be relevant? Wouldn't it tell us something about the way his mind works, and his values? I can't believe that you think Obama's many extremely radical associates don't matter, unless you yourself are a Marxist and hate America. If that is true, then I guess there's no point in arguing. Is it true?
     
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    McCain hung out with Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd. Who cares. If he was a MEMBER of a segregationist group or the KKK, that would be different. Politicians interact with many, many, MANY people.
     
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    Do you care about Palin's relationship with that Alaska segregationist group?
     
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    Ah, the warm comfort of moral equivalence...
     
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    Hmmm...I had thought Alaska segregationist was a bit of a redundant term.
     
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    Why I bother to participate in these discussions is beyond me.
     
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    How is that any different than iron cold guilt by association?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You're not participating. You're choosing not to address the subject matter at hand.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Because if I had to choose being tied to the AIP or Bill Ayres, it's not even close. Anyone who thinks they're equivalent simply isn't paying attention.
     
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    You're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about "moral equivalence" of anything. I simply asked a question.
     
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    Guilt by association, and moral equivalence are poorly thought out arguments that tend to be done lazily. Instead of debating the issues that people who are losing their houses or jobs (two topics that are more important) care about, they bring up pretty weak connections between both candidates and people that have at best, a slight connection to them. And then they try to act like one guy doing something is the same as the other guy doing something (these two arguments seem to be married).

    Debate the issues, and not these stupid pointless accusations made by people who just receive emails and spew them out without actually knowing anything about it.
     
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    I presume you mean "secessionist group"? There is a difference, you know.
     
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    ha, yeah, I guess I had strom thurmond on my mind.
     
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    Yes, and most of the people Obama interacts with seem to hate this country. I find that very significant. I also find it significant that a respected Democrat like Pat Caddell is "shocked" by the Sirhan Sirhan dedication. I guess there are fewer and fewer Democrats like him who have a conscience.

    I will say this again, for the thousandth time. If McCain had been hanging around with unsavory types like Obama had, the press wold be crucifying him and liberals would be foaming at the mouth. But since it's their "savior" who has all of these radical associates, they are blithely looking the other way and pretending none of it matters.
     
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    In my view, while these association issues are relevant to the issue of character and do influence my vote, I think the McCain campaign's strategy of trying to make this the predominate issue against Obama is a pure loser. Guilt by association isn't going to trump the economy or national security.
     
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    Of course, because it's easier than actually adressing the issue.
     
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    I don't see a huge connection between Obama and Ayers. There's nothing to imply that Obama shares Ayer's views. I've been on committees with people who I disagree with as, I assume, has John McCain.

    Now, it'd be different if Obama decided to attend the bomb throwers convention... or a few alaska radical conventions...
     
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    This seems to be how your logic train works.

    Obama interacts with people who hate the country.

    Obama interacted with McCain and Joe Lieberman.

    Therefore, by the Shooter theory, McCain and Lieberman hate this country.

    Obama interacts with people who hate the country.

    Obama interacted with Colin Powell, Warren Buffet and Bill Richardson.

    Therefore, by the Shooter theory, Powell, Buffet and Richardson hate this country.

    Impeccable logic.
     

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