A year or so ago I wanted Kmart bad. Everyone else wanted Murphy. Anyone wish we would have signed Kmart instead of Murphy at this point? I definately think he could have helped us more than Foyle and Fisher's contract put together...
It would be nice to have K-Mart but he wouldnt have changed our team the way Baron has. If we got Kenyon, we probably wouldn't have gotten Baron.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">It would be nice to have K-Mart but he wouldnt have changed our team the way Baron has. If we got Kenyon, we probably wouldn't have gotten Baron.</div> Why do you say that? I believe he would have added a sense of toughness and defense we lacked all year long, let alone some low post offense...
Baron brings toughness and swagger as well. All I'm saying is Kenyon wouldnt make everyone so much better the way Baron has. Once Baron came Dun didn't look totally pathetic, Pietrus suddenly became much better, and even Foyle improved. Kenyon isnt going to put up 25 points, 9 assists, and 6 rebounds like baron, maybe 18 points and 10 rebounds and a block or two. Not much better than Murphy except for defense.
I like Martin a lot,but at the time our cap issues probably made it pretty tough to add him. K Mart is my type,the "undersize" overachiever who play to the max. That does rub off,but we gained fresh intensity from Baron,plus a playmaker who pushes the pace.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Baron brings toughness and swagger as well. All I'm saying is Kenyon wouldnt make everyone so much better the way Baron has. Once Baron came Dun didn't look totally pathetic, Pietrus suddenly became much better, and even Foyle improved. Kenyon isnt going to put up 25 points, 9 assists, and 6 rebounds like baron, maybe 18 points and 10 rebounds and a block or two. Not much better than Murphy except for defense.</div> You can not argue that Baron has made his team mates better while Kmart does not have that effect. I am not saying Kmart instead of Baron, I am saying Kmart instead of Murphy...
Kmart is paid the max. I don't think he packages enough offense to warrant that kind of money. It was Kidd that made him seem better than he actually was because he created the opportunities for him above the rim and under the basket. Watch what will happen to a guy like Biedrins who loves to block, rebound, play defense, throw bodies, and dunk everything in sight with the potential and size to play down low. He'll probably look like an all-star too with an all-star franchise level point guard, especially when he gets the confidence for doing the spectacular like the alley-oop play. In the mean time, he'll play unselfishly, fit in with the team plan/chemistry and earn his minutes. I think Kmart is a beast on both ends that's fun to watch in action, but I think he's kind of overrated based on what he earns and the fact he can't create any offense. I like his defense, toughness and his energy level. His dunks look sweet too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Kmart is paid the max. I don't think he packages enough offense to warrant that kind of money. It was Kidd that made him seem better than he actually was because he created the opportunities for him above the rim and under the basket. Watch what will happen to a guy like Biedrins who loves to block, rebound, play defense, throw bodies, and dunk everything in sight with the potential and size to play down low. He'll probably look like an all-star too with an all-star franchise level point guard, especially when he gets the confidence for doing the spectacular like the alley-oop play. In the mean time, he'll play unselfishly, fit in with the team plan/chemistry and earn his minutes. I think Kmart is a beast on both ends that's fun to watch in action, but I think he's kind of overrated based on what he earns and the fact he can't create any offense. I like his defense, toughness and his energy level. His dunks look sweet too.</div> Have you watched any Denver games this year? Any of his playoff games? I have been watching him use Tim Duncan on the offensive end by driving past him. He plays defense which no one can deny he is light years better than Murphy on that end. I would rather have paid him max money than Murphy at this point with his contract. Doe no one else agree with me?
i think it would make the team better but like some1 said b4 i doubt Davis would be wit them if Kmart was
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">i think it would make the team better but like some1 said b4 i doubt Davis would be wit them if Kmart was</div> I dont understand why not. Is it because of having all the big contracts? I think if we signed Kmart we would not have signed Foyle or Fisher to their huge contracts which if I am correct are more put together than Kmarts max deal. Then we may even have more cap room. We also would not have signed Murphy to an extension until maybe this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont understand why not. Is it because of having all the big contracts? I think if we signed Kmart we would not have signed Foyle or Fisher to their huge contracts which if I am correct are more put together than Kmarts max deal. Then we may even have more cap room. We also would not have signed Murphy to an extension until maybe this year.</div> You have a very valid point there. The thing that I don't think would happen is being able to sign Murphy to a good salary wise extension after this year. He would most likely ask for more money making it harder to sign him. But he could just leave since we would have K-Mart
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Have you watched any Denver games this year? Any of his playoff games? I have been watching him use Tim Duncan on the offensive end by driving past him. He plays defense which no one can deny he is light years better than Murphy on that end. I would rather have paid him max money than Murphy at this point with his contract. Doe no one else agree with me?</div> Then you wouldn't have gotten Baron Davis with his max contract coming in. Plus I think Tim Duncan could easily whoop him on both ends when healthy. I mean we're talking Tim Duncan here, the guy obviously hasn't recovered well from that sprain, he's a big dude. I would rather have good defensive players, but not for the max. I mean Mutombo was a good defensive player.
Without a price tag, I would want Martin over Murphy. Martin brings much better athlatism and individual defense, while we lose outside jumper and rebounding. But, Kmart is far from the ideal PF we need. He doesn't bring neither post up games nor defense presence in the middle. If we lose Foyle to get Martin, it will hurt the team more than helping the team, because we lose our only defense presence in the middle. Also, for a guy who gets max, 15.5/7.3 reb/1.1 blk PF just doesn't cut it. I mean, Murphy averaged 15.4/10.8 reb. If we can trade Fisher and Murphy for Kmart, I would consider it. And, I would choose Kmart over Murphy without a price tag. But, I would definitely skip Martin with its max tag...
Those are pretty much my thoughts, Kwan with the "without a price tag" explanation. I would love to have Kmart's defense, but I'm also pretty cap wary and I don't think our rebounding is that great to afford going without Murphy if we're actually getting defensive stops. It's yet to be seen if Kmart can average a double double without Marcus Camby in the lineup, especially here now in the West. He didn't even do it on the Nets until his contract year. I mean not getting the defensive rebound after playing 24 seconds of defense, giving up second chance points is just wasted energy and could cause huge scoring runs unless you can close out on the defensive rebounds right away. Murphy can do that. I just worry that middle and our frontcourt don't have what it takes to stop first chance points on most nights Foyle basically has to work doubly hard just to stop defenders that blow by Murphy or ones that Dunleavy needs help on and that others have to leave their assignments to come help). Bottom line is the Warriors have to get better on team defense and recognize what types of offenses other teams will throw on them. It won't be shutdown D, but it will at least be at a pace where we can easily outproduce the other guy in terms of baskets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Then you wouldn't have gotten Baron Davis with his max contract coming in. </div> Why wouldn't we? Think about it. What does Foyle, Fisher and Murphy's contract add up to? What does Kmart's add up to? Alot less than our 3 scrubs combined. So why could we not have added Davis like we did?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Without a price tag, I would want Martin over Murphy. Martin brings much better athlatism and individual defense, while we lose outside jumper and rebounding. But, Kmart is far from the ideal PF we need. He doesn't bring neither post up games nor defense presence in the middle. If we lose Foyle to get Martin, it will hurt the team more than helping the team, because we lose our only defense presence in the middle. Also, for a guy who gets max, 15.5/7.3 reb/1.1 blk PF just doesn't cut it. I mean, Murphy averaged 15.4/10.8 reb. If we can trade Fisher and Murphy for Kmart, I would consider it. And, I would choose Kmart over Murphy without a price tag. But, I would definitely skip Martin with its max tag...</div> The Warriors are all jump shooters, having 1 less jump shooter might have actually helped us. We needed an inside presence, Kmart would have provided that. Kmart seems to be mostly a post up player. I mean, I live in CO and catch a ton of Denver games. I have also watched them this year in the playoffs. Kmart shoots is the exact opposite of Murphy, non jump shooting, athletic, defensive, post up player. As far as stats go, Kmart is the 3rd option on offense on that team so he does not get the touches he would have here in Golden State. Also, Denver makes more of their shots so there are less chances for rebounds. Ever notice how the Warriors have had good rebounders for as long as they have been bad? It is because we miss 60% of our shots so there are that many more opportunities for rebounds. KMart could have easily collected at least 2-3 extra rebounds per game here.
Man, Kwan totally picked up all my points, I don't have to do any work! I agree with exactly Kwan said. K-Mart will hurt Denver's future plans unless it can find a long-term solution for PG in the next few drafts, with Andre Miller getting older and Boykins unsuited for a full-time starting gig.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, Kwan totally picked up all my points, I don't have to do any work! I agree with exactly Kwan said. K-Mart will hurt Denver's future plans unless it can find a long-term solution for PG in the next few drafts, with Andre Miller getting older and Boykins unsuited for a full-time starting gig.</div> So what you guys are saying is if given the chance you would not trade Murphy for Kmart straight up if we could use the trade exemption or something to even out the contracts? Edit: Here is Kmarts game, watch him next time Denver plays if they can get by San Antonio. Kmart gets the ball either in the low or high post with his back to the basket. He faces up and jab steps. If the guy backs up he sticks the short jumper. If the guy is slow to react he takes him hard to the rack. He also gets back door alley oops and offensive put backs for all of his points. Murphy spots up in the corner somewhere else 18ft away from the basket and pops the jumper. Tell me what we need more right now. Everyone says we need a low post scorer and a defender down low. How many times did Carmelo Anthony dunk on us standing directly under the bucket in Denver. I will tell you he had over 30pts that game. Kmart would not have allowed that right under the rim. He had several back to back like that. He just jumped and dunked while Murphy stood there without even raising his arms...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Why wouldn't we? Think about it. What does Foyle, Fisher and Murphy's contract add up to? What does Kmart's add up to? Alot less than our 3 scrubs combined. So why could we not have added Davis like we did?</div> Well for one thing, more bodies and more scoring if you count all 3's stats on any given night More blocks, more rebounds, more scoring, more 3 pointers, more assists... I like all-star players, but sometimes having depth is important and not having this huge ego is important. That's what I was getting at. If he's a max guy, he better bringing the impact of those 3 guys you mentioned and the personality/lockerroom stability to boot. Like I wouldn't want my all-star power forward getting into name calling fights with my ailing, veteran big like Alonzo Mourning or anything.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well for one thing, more bodies and more scoring if you count all 3's stats on any given night More blocks, more rebounds, more scoring, more 3 pointers, more assists... I like all-star players, but sometimes having depth is important and not having this huge ego is important. That's what I was getting at. If he's a max guy, he better bringing the impact of those 3 guys you mentioned and the personality/lockerroom stability to boot. Like I wouldn't want my all-star power forward getting into name calling fights with my ailing, veteran big like Alonzo Mourning or anything.</div> Ok, but that is kind of a mute point because who would have played in their place? Murphy for Kmart is a wash IMO, Speedy would have started and Pietrus would have gotten more minutes due to Dunleavy spotting at PG, Foyle is a given. We needed to sign somebody to play center with us not choosing to keep Damp. We would have only had Cliffy because at the time DD was not here yet. I agree that he is not producing max number but then again either is AK47 or Gasol.
