WOJ: Dame wants the super max extension

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    ok...here's where I'm at:

    I don't believe the Blazers can trade Dame for contending assets and I don't believe that can trade him for good rebuilding assets. There's no realistic path that I can see to contention for the next 3-5 years by trading Dame

    there may not be any better path to contention by keeping him, but at least watching Dame lead the new roster would be great entertainment, and as I said, I think some of you are unnecessarily pessimistic about Portland's near future
     
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    I think a lot of posters are unneccesarily optimistic with our team. We need another star next to Dame.

    The point isn't that we would immediately become contenders without Dame. The draw is even if we suck the next 4 years, there is the chance we could draft enough talent to potentially become contenders. Instead of seeing the next 3-5 years of the same 5th seed or worse where we maybe make the 2nd round but have no chance at winning a title. Then starting over and waiting 4 years because we suck without Dame.

    Most of us aren't getting younger. I was not alive in 77. I'd like to have the hope of seeing a title in my lifetime.
     
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    He wildly overpaid them all except Dame who is a legitimate superstar. Look up one other guy that's been on either the first or second allnba team every season they've legitimately played in over the last six seasons. Is your opinion that all of them are legitimate superstars except Dame? Like seriously where does your warped sense of how mediocre you think Dame is come from? He is one of the top five best offensive weapons in the league. What else would you need to be a superstar? If you want to say defense you're kidding yourself. What you need to win a championship if you're a superstar with Dame's skills is defense around you, some three point shooting and some people who will actually finish when you get them the ball in the paint.

    You are mistaken if you think that Olshey made a bad decision with Dame's contracts and Cronin won't be either. The bad decisions that have been made have been the personnel around him, the roster and the coach. Those things are changing... I'm a little concerned that we are changing from a score first miniature SG next to Dame to a score first miniature SG next to Dame but we'll see how that turns out. I think the Grant change is great and we'll have to see what other changes are made but you are wrong when you identify Dame as the problem. You can't admit that the players around him have been bad choices and then act like that isn't a factor or considering Dame's numbers the determining factor in things not working.
     
  4. wizenheimer

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    yeah, Portland needs another star. But if they trade Dame, they suddenly need two stars. Getting one star may be really difficult; getting two is probably impossible

    I was 25 in '77 so the chances are good you have more lifetime left.....unless you keep pissing me off
     
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  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus They don't do much, you know Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Threatening a cat? I'm disappointed.

    Plus, given his feline nature, he's probably actually got like 7 or 8 lifetimes left...
     
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    And where is the best place for a small market team to get a star? In the draft. And your odds of getting one is higher if you have a higher pick. How did we get Dame?

    OKC is looking pretty good for the future. I'm kinda jealous. Even if I don't love Chet.
     
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  7. John Law

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    Yes, every year they pay Lillard the max is putting off contention for at least that long. Meanwhile, how many first-round draft picks have been traded away for player rentals? One of the primary roads to a championship team has been eliminated for the Blazers in the name of winning immediately for Lillard's sake. In many ways, he is holding the team hostage until he takes all the money he can. If he really wants to win, he needs to stay for a contract more in line with what he is worth. If not, trade him while there are still teams that would take him, because as soon as he signs that extension, he is virtually untradeable.
     
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    I can at least work with this. I'm not sure I agree though. Let's say you trade Dame for picks and young talent.

    Scenario #1:

    Sharpe pops. We're back in the lottery and we pull the top pick in the draft. We pick a guy who is the next superstar player (think Anthony Davis type of player). Now we have two star players who are both young and we can start building around them.

    Scenario #2:

    Ant and Sharpe both pop. We're still in the lottery and we grab another star level player. Maybe not generational talent but a Jabari Smith or Chet or Paolo. I don't think those guys are generational but they could be multi-year AllStars. You have a solid core of Ant/Sharp/third star and you work on acquiring role players around them.

    The thing is, our foundation is flawed. We have one bonafide superstar, we have Ant who might be a star in the making (but I think he needs to be in Dame's role to really break out) and we have Jerami Grant.That's not a championship foundation, so everything else we put around it is just window dressing. It was the same problem with Neil.
     
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    And Cap Space is a lot higher and will continue to rise
     
  10. riverman

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    Dame will never be traded ..book it ..the idea that he can't win a championship because he gets a raise is nonsense too...there are more vets without jobs in the NBA right now than I can remember...everybody wants a roster spot and those vets won't break the bank....guys like Melo ..even LA, Griffin and Milsap were low paid bench players ..times have changed. We've got plenty of rookie contracts right now. Jody is willing to spend is what this says to me. Guys know they can price themselves out of the market so they'll take cuts to play for a team that gives them minutes or rotation spots. Plenty of Trendon Watfords out there that can ball and are cheap
     
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    Sounds like something they

    1) Have to do
    2) Will do
    3) Shouldn’t do
     
  12. John Law

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    Lillard will never win a championship in Portland as long as he is on a max contract...that you can book.

    Interesting that you brought up Melo, the classic example of a guy taking all of his team's free agent money and then leaving, never having led a contender. That will be Lillard's legacy as well, unless he takes a pay cut.
     
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    Yeah, that will totally be his legacy. Totally.

    Thats your opinion, thats not what his legacy WILL be.
     
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    nonsense...but you can approach this era with that negative affirmation..I plan to enjoy it .."will never" are your words...not his, not Chauncey's or his teammates but hey...not everyone enjoys change. It's not your money. Why do you care? Dame's legacy will be that of the greatest Blazer ever...HOF lock and nothing but respect....pass it on. Value systems are weird....you probably watched a movie where some actor just earned 20 million dollars for 6 weeks work and you're honestly going to sweat Dame's value in comparison? And Dame invests his money and spends a lot of it in Oregon. I'll take that anytime...guys aren't coming here to play with Sharpe...they're coming here to play with Lillard....even Harden made us an option...times are changing
     
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    I, perhaps, have a different outlook on the team and this year (and not trading Dame now).

    I actually enjoyed the tank. I was flat out bored watching same ‘old, same ‘old with the same results; solid mediocrity.

    I enjoyed watching the young guys playing with heart and raw abandonment. Sometimes that was painful to watch but it had more of an energy as compared the traditional sameness.

    I hope Dame seriously buys into Billups-ball and becomes at least slightly more defensively adept.

    I would watch the Grizzlies and wonder why we didn’t play with such enthusiasm.

    In some ways I kinda think getting top value for our guys last year was secondary and making the roster more Billups-able was primary.

    I want to see what happens when we have everyone (hopefully) bought-in and playing Billups-ball.

    Do I expect us to be contenders this year? No.

    Do I expect them to be more watchable? Yes.

    I am hoping for improvement and refinement as needed.

    I hope to see the team playing with refined abandonment as compared to the reckless, playground abandonment we saw at the end of the year.

    Go Blazers. Make us proud to be fans. Pedal-to-the-metal-don’t-hit-cruise.
     
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    Ok but who exactly are these players coming here to play with Lillard?
     
  17. John Law

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    I also enjoyed the Lillard-less Blazers, especially that 4-game win streak before they shut everyone down. It was the first time in quite awhile that the Blazers looked hungry. It was also interesting to watch C.J. become a new man with the Pels. He seemed to be motivated beyond what I had seen in Portland since his early years when he was trying to break into the starting lineup. I think there is something kind of soul-crushing about diverting so much of the team's resources and control to one guy, especially if he is the point guard, and he is in it only for himself. It's hard to watch as a fan, and I suspect it is hard to participate in as a player. It must have been particularly difficult to be winning while Lillard sat, only to have management shut everything down.

    I do agree that we are in a new chapter with glimmers of hope, I just don't think that hope has anything to do with Lillard or his contract demands. It's mostly because finally we have some younger players who are hungry and energetic. Heck, they might even learn to play some defense.
     
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    You went too far.
     
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    Every player that's signed here basically and some who didn't and listed us as a destination like Harden...Melo signed here to play with Dame...Pau Gasol signed here to play with Dame...Jerami Grant only wanted to play with Dame in Portland this season...times are changing and Lillard is our talent magnet. Also guys traded here usually want to stick around...like Nurk and Ant. Dame is the draw here...simple
     
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    This is quite a spin. The reality is that most players the Blazers have tried to sign in free agency while Lillard has been here have flatly said no thanks, or 'Noooooo sir' as Kevin Durant's brother recently commented. Pau Gasol was a glue factory candidate who would have signed anywhere, and he ended up retiring before playing a minute in Portland. It's funny to even mention him as evidence of anything. Carmelo came because the dearth of talent in Portland made him think he could still be a starter here despite his diminished skills. As soon as he was no longer a starter, he was gone like Moses through the corn. I am sure that Nurk and Ant get along great with Lillard, but it isn't like we can credit Dame with bringing them to Portland. Like Grant, Nurk came here via trade, and Ant was drafted. Heck, Ant is probably trying to drum up an offer sheet from another team as we speak, and if the Blazers don't match, he will be gone. It's not like he is taking less to play with Lillard. I suspect Grant also will be shopping around and taking the highest offer after this season. If he pre-emptively agrees to sign for less than market value, then you will have some evidence, but he came here because the Blazers paid multiple draft picks for him, not because of his being enamored with Lillard.

    But by all means, let's see how many ring-chasers come to Portland during the upcoming free-agency period. If we get a bunch of talented guys lining up to take less money because they want to play with Lillard, I will happily eat my words.
     
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