WOJ: Dame wants the super max extension

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  1. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    It was kind of Dame's fault. He was playing through something that could have been corrected with surgery and likely was holding him back. That being said, the way I understand it is that he didn't get a diagnosis that let him know that it could be corrected with surgery, which is either just a simple miscomunication of symptoms or a failure by our training staff. I think he said it was Jrue at the Olympics who first told him exactly what it was and that he had had the same thing and had surgery in an offseason for it that didn't even really affect his offseason training too much, just gave him some rest time.

    So yeah, probably just a thing that happens a lot in medicine where someone has a semi-rare condition that they don't know how to explain perfectly so the doctor doesn't get the right diagnosis or prescribed treatment. Who's to blame for that is up for interpretation but I usually lean towards the medical professional but it's a real sticky situation that happens to a lot of people.
     
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    I was never down on Roy until he got between Nate ane Andre....and the way he ended here....everyone cheered for Brandon to get past his bone on bone issue but he didn't come clean about it in the end. If he'd retired like he said and not signed with the wolves and stayed aroung the franchise..he'd be loved like Kersey...he didn't. Fans treated Roy really well. That love didn't come back in the end and that's not kicking somone when they're down....Dame is a different story...he doesn't have bum knees. I agree bashing Dame is stupid. Being disappointed in BRoy is not. Paul Allen offered BRoy any job he wanted with the organization before he medically retired..he didn't want to work here. His choice...not the fans
     
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  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Some people respond to loss differently. If Roy's personality and behavior shifted because he was injured and he could see his career ending, it's not our fault if we reacted to his change. I don't think people turned on him because he was hurt. They turned on him because of his behavior. That behavior didn't start until he was hurt.
     
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    Not all fans treated him really well when his game was faltering that's a mischaracterization but like I said, I may have been on a different forum than you at the time. Sports fans are quick to turn on players, I don't need you to do research to find it... just look at the people that are turning on Dame in here at this very moment. I'm not just talking about the trolls @John Law I'm talking about the people that are always in here and are now agreeing with the trolls and posting shit along the same lines.
     
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    There's a couple people shitting on him, but I think most of us still love the guy and respect him. I'm just shitting on our chances of winning while he's still good.
     
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    I guess that's fair enough, maybe I didn't have that perspective at that time. I know I don't share the perspective that Dame is being selfish and detrimental to the team by taking an extension when he feels his best ball is in front of him. I also think it's convenient that some in here are just popping up now talking about how they always thought he was overrated and shit like that. It just so happens that Dame has had one season of being unhealthy that's ending right now and people who will scatter like roaches or miaculpa are kicking him while he's down and to my knowledge isn't acting like an ass but I didn't really get that from Roy either but have read enough about it now to know that it was going on. So hey maybe I'm out of the loop, maybe Dame's a fucking asshole who will never be at the top of the game again or maybe I'm just wrong and he never has been at the top of the game despite you know having multiple seasons where he was number two in the league in points created and has been allnba five times. Like I said though I had the Roy thing a little wrong and maybe I've got the Dame situation misunderstood as well.

    I have already said that it's not turning on him if you think he has been and will be great but want to trade him and look to the future... that's valid and although I think it's symptomatic of recency bias it isn't necessarily just because of that.
     
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    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    Perfectly valid point of view that may or may not be affected by "out of sight out of mind".
     
  8. Natebishop3

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    Dude there isn't a single player in the history of sports that doesn't have haters. Doesn't matter how good they are.

    Jordan had em.
    LeBron has em.
    Magic... Bird.... Wilt.... it doesn't matter. There will always be haters.
     
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    I apologize that I didn't read what you wrote because I got obsessed with which letter you started each sentence with. By the way 9 I's, 2 D's, 1 G
     
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    Gretzky? Can anything bad be said about him other than leaving Edmonton after a glorious run? I'm not sure they would even view that as a negative, all things considered.
     
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    Someone, somewhere, hated Wayne Gretzky. I guarantee it.
     
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    I never had an issue with Roy until he started whining in the media about getting an extra year on his contract. He kept saying he wanted to get the extra year so that he could go and recruit other players to Portland, and I thought that was pretty self-serving since he should be recruiting etc anyway, as the team's highest-paid player. It ended up that he had a hurt knee all the time that he was negotiating. Dame has taken that to another level though, leaking to the media that he might ask for a trade if the Blazers don't trade away draft picks for player rentals so that he can win now. I am a fan of the team, not one player, so I naturally am bothered by someone who demands to mortgage the future of my favorite team so that he can get more money and notoriety. That's why I call him selfish. I'm sure his teammates like him, etc. and he gets plenty of assists, so he involves his teammates. He doesn't play defense, but I don't know if that is selfish or just a lack of ability. He certainly got punked by Jrue Holiday in that series sweep vs. the Pelicans. How anyone can call him a generational superstar after that performance is beyond me - it takes some serious mental gymnastics to explain that away.

    Somebody above pointed out that critics of Lillard are pointing out facts, and I agree with that. The facts are, Lillard has never led a contender, and that deferring to him, paying him supermax contracts and bringing in personnel that he wanted, etc has not led to winning. Quite the opposite in fact; the team has been in steady decline for some time, culminating in last year's lottery season. When a team flirts with the luxury tax every year and then finds itself in the lottery, there is something very seriously wrong. To not put some blame on the supposed team leader, especially when his whining has led to a lot of the moves that caused the problems is disingenuous. I get that people want to be fans of the players, but seriously, don't you like winning? Lillard and his program don't win. It's long since time to do something different. Giving him another supermax extension is not different - it's more of the same.
     
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    First I need your sources that say Lillard leaked to the media that he would demand a trade period... I know of one source that everyone ran with and when Lillard went on his show and confronted him about it, admitted that it wasn't a real report but conjecture from a fourth party source. Also that guy didn't even say that draft picks needed to be traded. So you're just making shit up unless you have some valid report I'm unaware of. That addresses the bullshit in your first paragraph.

    As for your facts. Lillard has never had anyone building a team around him besides Olshey and he's never had a coach besides Stotts (if we can all agree that he didn't really play this last season). So if you think Olshey did a great job or if you think the GM doesn't matter because Dame is pulling all of the strings then cool... I think that both of those are absolutely wrong but cool. If you think that Stotts did the best job possible maximizing Dame's potential then again, cool... I think that's absolutely wrong. If you don't think those people did a good job then the fact that Dame hasn't led a team past the conference finals has no reflection on the level of player he is.

    The fact is he has been a top player in points created for over half a decade. The fact is that those who vote for all nba teams disagree with your opinion that he's not a superstar and top player in this league. So you are obviously in the minority in your opinion that Dame has always been overpaid. The opinion that the seemingly impending extension is a mistake seems to have a good amount of people on both sides but your facts aren't facts they are correlations that you are saying make sense and I'm saying are very spurious. So they are in fact opinions.
     
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    And there it is...



    I had this at around 2 yrs, 107. Guessing the 15 might be incentives.
     
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    Also 122???? Holy fuck that’s more in two years than Ant in 4.
     
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    All meals on Dame now.
     
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    Everyone is reporting this now. How are they getting to this 120 number? Literally thought the max amount eligible was 35% of the cap with 8% raises even for a 10yr supermax.
     

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