Woman-led and gay-friendly progressive Muslims

I just wanted to hear some conservatives react to this.

Go on then.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...gay-friendly-women-led-mosques_n_1368460.html

 

I wanna read Shooters take on this.

 

Muslims can be very violently extreme in their views towards women and queers. I would be concerned for their safety.

 

Well, I guess that eliminates honor killings, sharia law, and the treatment of gays and women around the globe by the Muslim religion.

What's the point of this thread again?

 

I am sort of concerned for their safety as well, but they are in the U.S.

To solve all the problems ever, of course.

or this:

 

Nothing unusual. Nearly all "followers" of all religions ignore or disobey the guidelines that clash with their personal desires.

It's called hypocrisy.

 

I think the point is that religious people are not "all alike". There have been Muslim contingents in the Gay Pride Parade in San Francisco for several years.

It's really no more a contradiction than feminists and LGBT people in any other patriarchal religion. Most believers are "cafeteria" believers who pick what they like. Some like hating gays, some like being gay friendly; both pro-slavery and anti-slavery in the U.S. quoted the same Christian bible as justification; you can usually dredge up an appropriate quote from an appropriate religious authority for any view.

Prejudice doesn't come from a god, it comes from people who then try to find a "godly" justification.

 

Of course many in civil rights were motivated by their faith, and not just Christians. But the Ku Klux Klan also explicitly defines itself as Christian.

Point being, there are enough contradictory texts to make your religion say anything you want.

 

I dunno. Isolationism of the Muslims has been chipping away constantly for years. More and more they are becoming more "westernized" and rational.

 

The difference, of course, is that Christian groups like the KKK are a very small minority of that religion, while the "progressive" Muslims who are trying to pull their religion from the Stone Age are also a very small minority.

 

Where? Certainly not in Egypt, Afghanistan, Libya, Lebanon, Pakistan, etc. etc...

The US-sponsored "Arab Spring" has resulted in more draconian and Islamic governments in those countries. Christians are being slaughtered in Egypt in part because of our actions, and rather than do something about it, the media ignores it and acts like it doesn't exist.

 

Well mainstream Islam is male dominated and anti-gay, so you can see why some folks are trying to reform it.

For the Muslims in the West, sure. For Muslims in non-Western nations, I wouldn't expect them to reform Islam to the whims of Western society.

I like how westernized = rational. Way to be unabashedly western-centric.

The only part of Islam that's in the stone age are the fundamentalists, which are also a minority.

No, not "etc. etc..."

Egypt is very westernized, even with the results of the Arab spring. Lebanon as well. Afhganistan, Libya and Pakistan? Way to cherry pick. What about Morocco, Tunisia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain? What about Turkey and Indonesia? What about large sections of Eastern Europe? The Muslim world is huge, and the majority of it is westernizing in order to be a part of the world market.

Draconian and Islamic aren't the same thing. Egypt's struggle is far from over. The new governments of Libya and Tunisia are still being put together. The point was to get rid of dictators and let the people decide for themselves (lol "democracy.") And it turns out they decided on Islamic governments.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier

 

It's true that now, in the 21st century, KKK types are a minority of Christians. For that matter, so are the raging homophobes. But that sure was not always the case.

I have not taken scientific polls of the world's Muslims so really can't say where 1 billion or so individual Muslims stand (as opposed to official doctrine).

BTW, just to show someone is watching, after my first reply I saw ads for Muslim singles dating services. Wonder if they are gay friendly?

 

I've read a dozen articles like this: http://www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org/images/uploads/doha_pr.pdf

And some from mainstream rags.

I have to say when you think you're right, nothing stands in your way.

 

You didn't even try to address my post, the countries I listed, and the results of the US-led intervention and removal of governments in some of those countries. What was I supposed to gather from your post? That there are forward-thinking people who practice Islam? That's pretty much assumed, isn't it? Becoming Westernized doesn't mean that the entire religion is changing, though. Plus, you should probably read up on the efforts Muslims to enact Sharia Law in western nations, with Great Britain and Norway two very good examples.

 

I think it can also be assumed that the young people/reformists in the original post have been influenced by the examples they have seen and lived in a "westernized" society.