Well, now the Heat are sending all indications that they are no longer in a win now mode, with letting Posey go to Boston. </p> So, would you sacrifice Tyrus for Shaq?</p> Bulls Trade: Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown, Chris Duhon</p> Heat Trade: Shaquille O'neal</p> PG-Kirk Hinrich/Rent A' Point Guard (Troy Hudson, Earl Boykins, Devin Brown, Gary Payton, Steve Logan)SG-Ben Gordon/Thabo SefoloshaSF-Luol Deng/Andres NocioniPF-Ben Wallace/Joe SmithC- Shaquille O'neal/Joakim Noah/Aaron Gray</p> The team reminds me a lot of the Late 80's champions where they had good big men, but it was clearly a guard core pushing them through to the title.</p> 87/88 Lakers- Magic Johnson, Byron Scott, James Worthy....Kareem was a shell of his former self (like Shaq now).</p> 89/90 Pistons- Dumars, Dantley, and Thomas....Aguirre and Laimbeer in the front court.</p> Not sure if I would do it or not. It gives us a great team and probably makes us favorites to win the title. I think Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, and Nocioni are better complements to Shaq than Wade is. But it'd be hard to give up Thomas for such an old player, that you know will retire in 2 or so years.</p> </p>
My brain imploded by the time i reached this point of your post:</p> </p> "Well, now the Heat are sending all indications that they are no longer in a win now mode, with letting Posey go to Boston. </p> So, would you sacrifice Tyrus for Shaq?</p> Bulls Trade: Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown, Chris Duhon</p> Heat Trade: Shaquille O'neal"</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Bulls would have to give up a lot more for Shaq.</div> </p> ya. somewhere along the lines of gordon, deng, and tyrus.
a couple points</p> 1) Heat would never do that, like aforementioned</p> 2) Gordon/Hinrich/Deng are nowhere near Thomas/Dumars/Dantley and Magic/Byron/Worthy</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'> My brain imploded by the time i reached this point of your post:</p> </p> "Well, now the Heat are sending all indications that they are no longer in a win now mode, with letting Posey go to Boston. </p> So, would you sacrifice Tyrus for Shaq?</p> Bulls Trade: Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown, Chris Duhon</p> Heat Trade: Shaquille O'neal"</p> </div></p> Nah yo, you gotta compare their PPG, APG, RPG, FT%, et al</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> a couple points</p> 1) Heat would never do that, like aforementioned</p> 2) Gordon/Hinrich/Deng are nowhere near Thomas/Dumars/Dantley and Magic/Byron/Worthy</p></div> Deng's game is quite similar to Worthy's. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> a couple points</p> 1) Heat would never do that, like aforementioned</p> 2) Gordon/Hinrich/Deng are nowhere near Thomas/Dumars/Dantley and Magic/Byron/Worthy</p></div> Deng's game is quite similar to Worthy's. </p> </div></p> And Michael Doleac's game is similiar to Bob McAdoo.</p> </p> </p> </p> </p> Worthy - 7 time all-star, finals mvp, all NBA 3rd team twice</p> Deng - nothing, yet</p> Just because their games are quite similiar doesn't make them comparable. </p> </p> </p> </p> <div id="AnswersBalloon" style="width: 490px; position: absolute; visibility: hidden; z-index: 99999; text-align: left; top: 285px; left: 447px"><div class="AnswersHeader"><div id="AnswersHandle0" class="AnswersHeaderInner" style="cursor: move"><div class="AnswersHeader1"><a onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='close'; else window.status='close'; return true;"></a><a target="AnswersQueryWindow" onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='close'; else window.status='close';return true;"><span class="AnswersHeader3">Read more >> </span></a><a onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='options'; else window.status='options';return true;"><span class="AnswersHeader3">Options >> </span></a></div><div></div></div><div id="Answers_frame" class="AnswersContentFrame"><table border="0" class="donotmoveme" style="width: 480px; float: left" id="Balloontable2"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="Answers_footer" class="AnswersFooter"><div style="width: 470px; height: 22px; float: left"></div> </div></div></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> a couple points</p> 1) Heat would never do that, like aforementioned</p> 2) Gordon/Hinrich/Deng are nowhere near Thomas/Dumars/Dantley and Magic/Byron/Worthy</p></div> Deng's game is quite similar to Worthy's. </p> </div></p> And Michael Doleac's game is similiar to Bob McAdoo.</p> Worthy - 7 time all-star, finals mvp, all NBA 3rd team twice</p> Deng - nothing, yet</p> Just because their games are quite similiar doesn't make them comparable. </p><div id="AnswersBalloon" style="width: 490px; position: absolute; visibility: hidden; z-index: 99999; text-align: left; top: 285px; left: 447px"><div class="AnswersHeader"><div id="AnswersHandle0" class="AnswersHeaderInner" style="cursor: move"><div class="AnswersHeader1"><a onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='close'; else window.status='close'; return true;"></a><a target="AnswersQueryWindow" onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='close'; else window.status='close';return true;"><span class="AnswersHeader3"> Read more >> </span></a><a onclick="var ac = document.getElementById('answertipClose'); if (ac) ac.innerHTML='options'; else window.status='options';return true;"><span class="AnswersHeader3"> Options >> </span></a></div><div></div></div><div id="Answers_frame" class="AnswersContentFrame"><table border="0" class="donotmoveme" style="width: 480px; float: left" id="Balloontable2"><tbody><tr><td></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="Answers_footer" class="AnswersFooter"> </div></div></div></div> There is a flaw comparing players by numbers and awards too.</p> Stats are at times based on the players around you. In the case of the Bulls, how would the numbers of the players on the court look if Wallace weren't an offensive liability? What would the numbers look like for Deng and Gordon if they were the main focal points of the offense? </p> ... awards, because everyone voting does it without bias or prejudice? </p> -Petey</p>
So we should just throw out Worthy's accomplishments? What do you think Worthy's numbers would have been if he didn't play with the Showtime Lakers and a scorers in Kareem and Byron Scott? Or what about Magic Johnson? What would Worthy's numbers look like if he was the #1 option? How about that offensive liability, Michael Cooper, the defenisve specialist? </p> Watch Worthy and Deng. Do you think Deng is honestly comparable? Should we throw out Worthy's 7 all-star appearences because of biased voting? </p> How about Worthy's HOF induction? Prejudiced!</p> Worthy's Finals MVP? He only had 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists in game 7 of the Finals. 21.1 points, 4.4 assists and 5.8 rebounds while shooting .523 from the floor in the playoffs? Sh*tty numbers, I hate how the voting is so prejudiced and biased.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'>I would be alot more scaredof the Bulls if they had Shaq instead of Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon.</div> The rest of the East would agree.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> So we should just throw out Worthy's accomplishments? What do you think Worthy's numbers would have been if he didn't play with the Showtime Lakers and a scorers in Kareem and Byron Scott? Or what about Magic Johnson? What would Worthy's numbers look like if he was the #1 option? How about that offensive liability, Michael Cooper, the defenisve specialist? </p> Watch Worthy and Deng. Do you think Deng is honestly comparable? Should we throw out Worthy's 7 all-star appearences because of biased voting? </p> How about Worthy's HOF induction? Prejudiced!</p> Worthy's Finals MVP? He only had 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists in game 7 of the Finals. 21.1 points, 4.4 assists and 5.8 rebounds while shooting .523 from the floor in the playoffs? Sh*tty numbers, I hate how the voting is so prejudiced and biased.</p> </div></p> Deng is 22 years old. You're comparing the final career numbers for Worthy with a guy who's game is quite similar but who has just started his career.</p> It could be Deng gets hurt and doesn't play another game. Assuming that doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Deng does make the all-star team 7 times. He did get five 1st place votes for the All-Defense team - I think the awards will come.</p> All the things you say about Worthy not being the #1 option for those lakers teams is just as true for Deng.</p> Comparing the numbers, Deng at 22:</p> Regular Season: 37 MPG, 51.7% FG, 78% FT, 7.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.2 SPG 0.6 BPG, 18.8 PPG Playoffs: 41 MPG, 52.4% FG, 80.% FT, 8.7 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.0 SPG, .7 BPG, 22.2 PPG</p> Worthy:</p> Age 22: 29.5 MPG, 55.6% FG , 75.9% FT, 6.3 RPG, 2.5 APG,0.9 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 14.5 PPG Career Avg: 32.4 MPG, 52.1% FG, 76.9% FT, 5.1 RPG, 3.0 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.7 BPG, 17.6 PPG</p> Regardless of the numbers, the similarities on the court are evident if you've watched them both play.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> So we should just throw out Worthy's accomplishments? What do you think Worthy's numbers would have been if he didn't play with the Showtime Lakers and a scorers in Kareem and Byron Scott? Or what about Magic Johnson? What would Worthy's numbers look like if he was the #1 option? How about that offensive liability, Michael Cooper, the defenisve specialist? </p> Watch Worthy and Deng. Do you think Deng is honestly comparable? Should we throw out Worthy's 7 all-star appearences because of biased voting? </p> How about Worthy's HOF induction? Prejudiced!</p> Worthy's Finals MVP? He only had 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists in game 7 of the Finals. 21.1 points, 4.4 assists and 5.8 rebounds while shooting .523 from the floor in the playoffs? Sh*tty numbers, I hate how the voting is so prejudiced and biased.</p> </div></p> Just noting that awards and stats are deceptive. Because 2 players might not finish with the same numbers and awards, that doesn't mean that they are not comparable or one is inferior to the others, as in the example of how Francis has been an All-Star starter how many times? Marbury really the best PG in the NBA?</p> I haven't seen enough of Deng to draw a conclusion based on what I think he would turn out to be, but I don't think comparing style of plays between players is unpopular, but other than that as how many times do we near people compared or labeled the next Jordan? It's not like Deng is a 8/9/10 year vet who hasn't shown an improving and growing game.</p> -Petey</p> </p>
Reading comprehension boys.</p> </p> Deng - nothing yet</p> </p> And saying they have similiar styles doesn't make a comparison either, which is my point. And even with that, Hinrich + Gordon still isn't anywhere near Magic & Byron, so it's moot.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>Reading comprehension boys. Deng - nothing yet</p> And saying they have similiar styles doesn't make a comparison either, which is my point. And even with that, Hinrich + Gordon still isn't anywhere near Magic & Byron, so it's moot.</div></p> Besides ability, what else would you use to compare players on different teams at different stages in their career? Crystal ball or the magic 8 ball?</p> -Petey</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'> So we should just throw out Worthy's accomplishments? What do you think Worthy's numbers would have been if he didn't play with the Showtime Lakers and a scorers in Kareem and Byron Scott? Or what about Magic Johnson? What would Worthy's numbers look like if he was the #1 option? How about that offensive liability, Michael Cooper, the defenisve specialist? </p> Watch Worthy and Deng. Do you think Deng is honestly comparable? Should we throw out Worthy's 7 all-star appearences because of biased voting? </p> How about Worthy's HOF induction? Prejudiced!</p> Worthy's Finals MVP? He only had 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists in game 7 of the Finals. 21.1 points, 4.4 assists and 5.8 rebounds while shooting .523 from the floor in the playoffs? Sh*tty numbers, I hate how the voting is so prejudiced and biased.</p> </div></p> Comparing the numbers, Deng at 22:</p> Regular Season: 37 MPG, 51.7% FG, 78% FT, 7.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.2 SPG 0.6 BPG, 18.8 PPGPlayoffs: 41 MPG, 52.4% FG, 80.% FT, 8.7 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.0 SPG, .7 BPG, 22.2 PPG</p> Worthy:</p> Age 22: 29.5 MPG, 55.6% FG , 75.9% FT, 6.3 RPG, 2.5 APG,0.9 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 14.5 PPGCareer Avg: 32.4 MPG, 52.1% FG, 76.9% FT, 5.1 RPG, 3.0 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.7 BPG, 17.6 PPG</p> Regardless of the numbers, the similarities on the court are evident if you've watched them both play.</div></p> What is the point of putting Deng's playoff numbers against Worthy's career avarages?</p> Career:</p> Deng: 33.2 MPG, 48.0% FG, 76.0% FT, 7.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, .7 BPG, 15.2 PPG</p> Worthy: 32.4 MPG, 52.1% FG, 76.9% FT, 5.1 RPG, 3.0 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.7 BPG, 17.6 PPG </p> Playoffs:</p> Deng: 41 MPG, 52.4% FG, 80.% FT, 8.7 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.0 SPG, .7 BPG, 22.2 PPG</p> Worthy: 37 MPG, 54% FG, 74% FT, 5.2 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.2 SPG, .7 BPG, 21.1 PPG</p> I notice you only cited Deng's playoff stats from last year also, not the year before.</p> Deng's career playoff stats: 37 MPG, 50% FG, 74% FT, 7.3 RPG, 1.7 APG, .9 SPG, .7 BPG, 17.7 PPG.</p> </p> What do all these stats mean? You tell me, you are the stat geek.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>Reading comprehension boys. Deng - nothing yet</p> And saying they have similiar styles doesn't make a comparison either, which is my point. And even with that, Hinrich + Gordon still isn't anywhere near Magic & Byron, so it's moot.</div></p> Besides ability, what else would you use to compare players on different teams at different stages in their career? Crystal ball or the magic 8 ball?</p> -Petey </p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> So you'd say Deng is comparable to Worthy because he plays like him?</p> </p>
